User talk:Doodleplex/Archive 5

Old Quaggan Memories

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• 02/16 - 07/16
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• 11/16 - 01/17
• 01/17 - 07/24/17
• 07/24/17 - 10/17
• 10/17 - 07/18
• 07/18 - 2023

Banana Loot Box

Hey. Sorry if I'm writing on a wrong part of your page. I would like to ask about Banana_Loot_Box. Your have deleted my contribution but please look here https://www.instagram.com/p/BSjp4p-AVhi/?taken-by=annlusion--Annette (talk) 19:18, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Hey - thanks for providing the screenshot, that's super lucky of you to get an armor chest, gratz. Although ascended boxes are very rare drops, they are actually available from almost any container ingame, especially the reward track ones. It might seem like a stretch to include ascended gear in the phrase "item of masterwork rarity or better", but I think that the wording encapsulates ascended items too. (It's a bit like how we don't list the Mystic Forge as an acquisition on most weapon pages, even though the forge spits out almost any weapon.) -Chieftain Alex 22:51, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

It's probably a little wider spread on the forums that you can get an ascended item from any source that gives an exotic if you're level 80. That musst mean these things too. SarielV 03:53, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

I didn't know. x_x Thanks a lot for your answer, guys! Now I understand. :)--Annette (talk) 19:18, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

&mdash

Just curious, what do you have against &mdash? --Idris (talk) 13:52, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

I prefer to just hit Alt and then 0151 on my numeric keyboard to create the actual dash then use HTML code. It looks cleaner, avoids possibly not working due to typos, and on some of the golem pages, makes editing/adding their hyphenated text a lot less of a chore. - Do_odleplex 16:15, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough. I noticed you'd replaced the &mdash on some of my edits with the actual dash, and I wanted to make sure I wouldn't be creating work for you if I continued to use it in the future. I didn't know you could make one with Alt+0151 though, so thanks for the tip! You wouldn't happen to know the code for &ndash (the slightly shorter variant: –), would you? --Idris (talk) 16:20, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Alt 0150 or just the minus key on top of your keyboard, same thing as far as I know. Cheers! - Do_odleplex 16:25, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

No, ndash is slightly longer than the minus. I think your codes might be off. 0151 appears to be the ndash, and 0150 is the minus. — – - --Idris (talk) 16:30, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Nevermind, I was thrown by the different font used in the edit box. Thanks! --Idris (talk) 16:36, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

No problem. =) - Do_odleplex 16:38, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Somewhat related: Why are you replacing “smart quotes” and ellipses with “dumb quotes” and separate dots? This seems somewhat counter-intuitive to above where you explicitly keep correct typographical characters? (Also “fixing” it is really a bad word for dumbing it down) poke | talk 16:14, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

I noticed if you search for words that have/use smart quotes they won't show up in the search results, which has been a problem a few times when I've been trying to find NPC's or fix broken redirects and links. - Do_odleplex 16:19, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Huh, that’s interesting, didn’t know that! Thanks :) poke | talk 16:35, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Achievement headers

What did you mean when you said the headers prevent the templates from "going all over the place"? I haven't noticed any issues. --Idris (talk) 21:05, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Sure thing: when I went to add the loading screen for the instance, the achievements were hanging out one on top of or right next to each other, not on an individual line, and adding them back fixed the issue. I'm assuming this is because the achievement template is made with tables and tables have a tendency to run all over the place if they're really small, so without the text they were having a mosh pit party there heh. - Do_odleplex 21:12, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, weird. Those templates are supposed to automatically tile themselves neatly. Are there any other solutions, like adding a <br>? I really hate how busy the headers make the page look when there's walkthrough text as well. --Idris (talk) 21:15, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

You're probably better off asking Alex since he was trying to fix some issue the achievement templates were having and I don't want to push a button and break the wiki, though I should think that once there's text/a blurb of how to get the achievement underneath the achievement template line/whatever it probably shouldn't do that. Also just to note, the template for Living World stories does include them, so I imagine nearly all Living World story pages have them making removing all of the headers easier for a bot then a user to do if he can figure it out, as I do agree with you on them being redundant. - Do_odleplex 21:21, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll bring it up with Alex. :) --Idris (talk) 21:34, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

The noinclude tag on game updates pages

(Sorry for spamming your talk page today!) I just noticed this edit of yours, and wanted to give a heads up that the spacing you added creates extra whitespace between updates on game updates, if you were unaware. --Idris (talk) 22:36, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Hehe, no problem. And actually no I didn't know, so thanks. Hopefully that should be better? I don't want them to be right next to each other in case something else gets added at then end causing stuff gets mixed up is all(I've seen it happen fairly often with interwikis and noinclude tags and such). - Do_odleplex 23:26, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

That seems to have fixed it! I wasn't aware that you could get away with a single line break and still avoid the extra whitespace. :) --Idris (talk) 23:37, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

halp

I'd say I was making a hat trick out of pestering you if this wasn't already the fourth time today. :p I did a stupid. I moved "Artifact of Dwayna (Object)" to Artifact of Dwayna, but since the latter already had content (which has since been safely moved to Artifact of Dwayna (item)), I wasn't allowed to move the former into it. My solution was to simply copy-paste the former's content into the latter, but as I was marking Artifact of Dwayna (Object) for deletion, I realised its history hadn't been moved. I feel pretty stupid about this, especially since I'm fairly sure I've made this exact mistake before. :/ Is there anything you can do? Help me Doodle-wan, you're my only hope. --Idris (talk) 04:54, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

XD More like Princess Lei here than Obi Wan haha, but I gotcha, I'll fix it right now heh. And don't worry about it, I've derped like that too heh. - Do_odleplex 05:02, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

You're an absolute star. Thank you so much! Now I'm going to go to bed and not touch the wiki until my brain has fully rebooted. --Idris (talk) 05:07, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Undoing everything to change once thing

Thought I'd checked for other changes. My bad! --Idris (talk) 21:44, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

It's okay heh. =)- Do_odleplex 21:45, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Deleted search helper / disambig page, why?

Just enquiring why the "Zinka" page was deleted? Not recall it being tagged as candidate for deletion first. The purpose of that disambig page was to help searchers, ie, if someone searched for just "Zinka" (either on the left-side of the website, or via "/wiki Zinka" in-game), they got an explanatory page rather that having to 'pick' from search results. Is this is a change of direction/policy for the wiki (not creating disambig pages for search terms), if so, where do I find the discussion? --Wolfie (talk|contribs) 13:18, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Doodle and I had a discussion about deleting disambig pages recently, actually. You can find it on Talk:Nightthistle. --Idris (talk) 13:21, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Basically I got sidetracked(though it seems now that it may be a good thing) and wanted to move "Zinka (asura)") to "Zinka" since the other Zinca is more of just a fluff character to make the area feel busy/alive, and if players wanted the other, Zinka the otheruses page notice is right at the top. As I haven't moved the page yet, I can undo the deletion, but I really don't think either NPC is popular enough that a disambiguation page is needed, especially when the first one had been largely ignored since 2015 when the second Zinka was discovered, 3 years later after the game had been released, and the rest of the edits have just been formatting. For future reference though, if you find more similarly named NPCs, it's usually better to name the second one by location, like Patli and Patli (Auric Basin) or by what service they perform like Northern Refugee and Northern Refugee (merchant) if that's more appropriate/clearer. - Do_odleplex 21:06, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Know anything about Queries?

Well, semantic searches, anyways. I've seen you edit in a query once or twice. I was trying to see if I could create a Semantic Search that would find overlaps between the Achievement Effects and the Special:LonelyPages (orphan) page. I tried just entering the following into the box, since the guide I found online said that ANDs were implied:

[[Category:Achievement effects]]
[[Special:LonelyPages]]

But it doesn't pull anything up. Know if it's possible or not? Would save me some steps. Thanks! --Rain Spell (talk) 07:39, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

We love to use Semantic Mediawiki where possible, but it won't work in this case because SMW doesn't know how to read special pages. I would have said it was a job for Dynamic Page List (third-party), but the manual webstite is down (and has been for months), and I'm not certain it'll work either.

The remaining option is to manually collate the data from the two pages Category:Achievement effects ({{#dpl: | category = Achievement effects }}) and Special:OrphanedPages, then drop them into the input boxes on Widget:List comparison and hit compare lists. Anyway I get the following from that:

Pages

Beasts Slain Quick (effect) Dragon Duty Eligibility: Evasive Maneuver Achievement Eligibility: Fast Siege Achievement Eligibility: Mildly Insane Achievement Eligibility: Mine Control Achievement Qualify for Chak Killer Qualify for Conservation of Resources Qualify for Dodgy Crowd Qualify for Don't Knock Yourself Out Qualify for Don't Tread on Me Qualify for Dragon Bane Qualify for Dug In Qualify for Flights of Fancy Qualify for Kraken Speed Run Qualify for Migraine Qualify for Not So Buff Now Qualify for Search and Rescue Qualify for Simulation Top Ten Qualify for Strike's Over Qualify for Sylvari Solidarity Qualify for The Sky Is Falling Qualify for Totems of the Itzel Qualify for Untethered Qualify for Weed Whacker Qualify for Who Needs Friends Qualify for Wicked Rodeo Qualify for the Dark Path Qualify for the Floor Is Lava Qualify for the Pit of Despair Qualify for the Troll Road Sheltered from the Rain Shoddy Sleuth Stay Unfrosty (effect) Super Sleuth Timely Arrival Vigilant (effect)

-Chieftain Alex 16:53, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for running that list. I'll certainly be using it. But what 2 lines did you drop in there? {{#dpl: | category = Achievement effects }} and {{#dpl: | special = OrphanedPages }}? or Special:OrphanedPages? Or something different? --Rain Spell (talk) 17:07, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

I took the text results of each individual set (Visited Special:OrphanedPages and Category:Achievement effects), and copy/pasted it into the text comparison tool. I then went to and copied the results from all 3 pages into a text file, removed the whitespace before/after, then stuck it in a comparison tool. No queries for special pages ;( -Chieftain Alex 21:31, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Rats! Thank you for doing all that! It's saved me quite a lot of time already. And now I can do it again someday.--Rain Spell (talk) 21:34, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Levels formatting

Since I see you've started replacing the old formatting with the new, I have to say that I kinda dislike it. Not only is it more stuff to type out ((55) is miles easier than level - 55), it also looks, well, less pretty imo. It's actually a retired way of formatting levels. The formatting that you changed provided the same information at no readability cost, so I wished you brought this up to the NPC formatting page before you started rewriting the existing one. —Ventriloquist 21:09, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Ah, my apologies. I saw it set up that way on the NPC template page and thought it was just one of those tasks that nobody had gotten around to updating, so that's why I was doing it. - Do_odleplex 21:12, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

It's too bad. The old way would have helped some current research. SarielV 21:21, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Which way is the old way, because now I'm honestly confused: with the - level or without it? - Do_odleplex 21:28, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

The current standard is (80). -Chieftain Alex 21:32, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Heads up: If you don't see {{formatting nav}} at the bottom of the formatting guide, then I haven't updated it yet and it's probably years out-of-date. --Idris (talk) 21:34, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

While true, the NPC page has been usually kept up to date for the most part, hence my assumption that having it go "- level" was the current way of doing things, especially when the talk page shows nothing either. I don't mind either way, though I do think the - level is clearer. (edit) Also I updated the weapon template a few months ago, hence why I added your nav there as it should be up to date. Do_odleplex 21:41, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough. I intend to standardize the layout of all the formatting pages to make them easier to use, though, so I hope you'll forgive me for reverting your edit until I've given weapons formatting a look-over. :) --Idris (talk) 21:51, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Going to try to not sound like a broken record here: I do hope we all keep in mind that while we have some guidelines and standard operating procedures, we should be maintaining an open mind when it comes to what pages can look like, and not focus on what they should look like. Is (50) shorter and sweeter to use than level - 50? Sure. But if some pages happen to be written that way, then we shouldn't be too worried (yes, we all have our tics). By the same token, our efforts and edits don't need to be focused on changing what is already working, (50), into another equally good format.

There is actually a very interesting article on how such edits are redundant. Let's not go that route ; ) G R E E N E R 04:30, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

@Idris, most of the formatting pages are up-to-date, at least the ones I maintained. Not much has changed in years.

@Doodle, the NPC infobox template has priority over guidelines as far as documentation, so you would be correct if the template indicated ambiguous formatting even if the guidelines are correct. But you would still have to discuss the formatting on the template talk page before making changes.

This is a pretty old issue. Comma-separated list of levels on an NPC page would be the accepted method. The only reason the template doesn't spit out errors is because we store the levels parameter as text rather than numbers for backwards compatibility. See Property talk:Has NPC level for why this ends up being a hard issue to solve. There should be no infoboxes that have a level range besides zones afaik, which match in-game notation. We only did preliminary work cleaning up existing NPCs that still use a level range notation.--Relyk ~ talk < 05:03, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, plenty of them are up-to-date, but not all, and they could still use a polishing for the sake of the new users we're going to be getting when Path of Fire goes live. I just want to make sure that documenting the expansion is as smooth as possible for everyone. :) --Idris (talk) 06:44, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

I understand what you're saying Greener, however "...our efforts and edits don't need to be focused on changing what is already working". I'm not sure I agree with that. By that logic, the wiki could be a bundle of chaos intertwined with fifteen different formatting ways, which would definitely impact the overall look of the wiki. I strive for consistent and polished formatting, yes, but I am also willing to discuss a deviation from the current way we do things; I am prepared to listen. I don't see why keeping consistent formatting is viewed as a bad thing, really. Of course, yelling at a new user "this is how we do things!" is bad, but advising them (and pointing out the many formatting guides) can only benefit them, the users, and the wiki overall; and hey, if they do end up putting content above acquisition, does it really harm anyone if I move it below? —Ventriloquist 09:53, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Wonderfully put, Vent; I was hoping for such a counter-point to my words. I'm personally fine with how the wiki has been moving for years; why would I object to a system that works? I wanted my words to serve as a warning for if we go five steps beyond where we are now, not the one or two steps that we tend to wander. Or, to put it another way, I wanted to ensure we were conscious of the wiki-lawyering which can arise from extreme rigidity, again beyond where I see us now.

A reminder that we don't necessarily need to conform is balanced nicely by your words pointing out that there's no harm in cleaning things up. Thanks for making mention of that ; ). G R E E N E R 17:41, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

With all that it mind, we would like to avoid discussing formatting guidelines on an issue only relevant to the template. When I read through this, the formatting guidelines weren't relevant yet was what the entire discussion revolved around.--Relyk ~ talk < 02:04, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

I am confused, how did we go from the NPC page formatting template page to the NPC infobox? I thought this was about my being mislead on how the levels were documented in the location section on the NPC page due to the NPC template not being up to date and changed some levels to be the wrong way-which by the way, I do hope I haven't annoyed anybody by changing those levels, and if so I'm quite sorry as that wasn't my intent. I just want to get all of the current NPC pages up to date based with what we have on the NPC formatting page so it's easier for newer users to copy/paste (since based on my own experiences making and fixing copy paste errors by others, it's much easier to copy-paste an existing page than the template) come the expansion release. - Do_odleplex 01:43, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

I explained this a little earlier above: NPC formatting guidelines must match the template, not the other way around. If the guidelines are not in line with the template, the guidelines are outdated and need to be updated.--Relyk ~ talk < 03:48, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Ah okay I wasn't sure where that came from, thanks! - Do_odleplex 04:01, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Need another pair of 👀

Heya,

Could you take a quick look at My new wiki toy and make sure that I didn't completely screw up the wiki formatting/code? I did a few trial runs and it seemed ok to me, but I've been known to miss things. -Darqam 20:59, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

So far I like it a lot, though you might want to have a dummy example up. For example I didn't know what the little red circle did nor how do add one line by itself as the "end" line since I didn't do that at the start. Other than that, that would make adding dialogue a breeze! - Do_odleplex 18:26, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Regarding your bot's recent mercenary edit

In the Ceremony and Acrimony article, your JARVIS bot changed the link to [[Mercenary (NPC)]] back to Mercenary. If we're going to keep the "Mercenary" page for a generic reference point to explain the terminology used for hired Tyrian soldiers as well as a list of notable mercenary groups, then I'd say the "Mercenary (NPC)" link should remain on articles to link to the generic NPCs seen in story missions/open world instead of directing to the "Mercenary" page explaining the term. ;) --Kossage (talk) 23:17, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

User talk:Falren#Mercenaries has the info you seek, I was just doing the run so Falren didn't have to worry about it dealing with that. The Mercenary page should be switched back to an npc page, I just gotta take care of IRL matters atm. - Do_odleplex 23:44, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Regarding Deletions

Why are you deleting people's signature images and other images that are/were in use on their pages? Isn't that Admin Abuse? Seems to me like you should consult, before deleting things that are not Orphaned, etc. I would suggest looking at What links here page as a start. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 174.223.2.159 (talk).

I'm not sure what you're talking about as I always check what links here before deleting anything, especially images to make sure there are no broken links. The only user signature I can remember deleting was because they uploaded the same image twice by mistake and the mistaken image wasn't used. - Do_odleplex 16:20, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Images Issues

Hey dude, just letting you know you've overwritten several of my screenshots that do not have a filter. I.e Fractal capacitor. --Eruru (talk) 19:05, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Eruru. In regards to your images, we want to go with as natural as possible when taking screenshots, and unfortunately nearly every image of yours I saw(excluding some of your earlier NPC images) either definitely used filters or had odd colouring that made me think it was using a filter, which is why they needed to be retaken. I tried to make sure they were roughly the same size as your image, though there are some I can't get size wise(Astralaria mostly), so if you could retake those sans-filters atop the Rocks by Shuttered Gate in LA, that would be lovely. In regards to the screenshot of Hellion Forest, please try to avoid reverting anything more than once. It's a mistake I've made myself, and it's much better to have a discussion about the content being switched instead of just going back and forth reverting, as more progress can be made that way. - Do_odleplex 20:23, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Fractal capacitor does not have a filter on it, as I explained. My previous pictures however, do. They aren't a filter thought, it's GEMFX so it's an injector but I completely understand what you mean. It's totally cool if you want your picture, I just thought I'd let you know as I saw "no filter" as your reason for changing them. And since in some cases this isn't true, I may as well let you know. Edit: oh and about the helion forest, I didn't check the talk page. Sorry about that. --Eruru (talk) 14:37, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

So to add on to this, the idea of screenshots is to represent how the things look in the 'vanilla' game. GemFX adds extra postprocessing and effects. Although it might not qualify as a 'filter' I believe that this is what Doodle meant by 'filters'.

I know personally I would want to go to the wiki to see images of the game as is, not see an augmented version of them. -Darqam 14:46, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I'd call a filter-anything that's added to the overall image that isn't organic. As for the Fractal Capacitor, my issue was the image you uploaded first did have a filter, and I didn't want to have to guess that the second image did as well since it did look a little off to me. To keep things neutral though, I asked a third party to re-upload it in extremely high resolution, so I hope that resolves any issues about that. - Do_odleplex 17:13, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Because it's map chat

It went on for over 10 minutes. No, I did not screen cap it all; there was just too much. G R E E N E R 05:12, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

- Do_odleplex 05:24, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

The Oxford comma

While it's not manditory, it's a style I stubbornly hold on to, much like the subjunctive mood. You'll notice I have no qualms against hanging prepositions. G R E E N E R 00:35, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

That's the strangest thing then. I was taught to use the Oxford comma for "and" but taught to never use a comma before "or". That was honestly the first time I ever saw a comma before "or", though I have seen the Oxford comma before "and" lots of times. English is weird... - Do_odleplex 01:04, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

In an unrelated matter, it's hard to "earn" PvP rewards which I don't deserve when you're not around. Hmmm... *looks in bag*... I think that's one of the bigger hints I have lying around. It'll have to do. G R E E N E R 02:13, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

*cough*... *cough*.... *ahem*... Sorry, must be something bothering me again. G R E E N E R 04:13, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

*Hands over bag of throat coating candies* - Do_odleplex 04:18, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Uploaded images

Hey I uploaded some images ([[:File:Charr Plush Front.jpg|one]], [[:File:Charr Plush Side.jpg|two]], [[:File:Charr Plush ThreeQuarters.jpg|three]], [[:File:Charr Plush Back.jpg|four]]) and since you seem like the authority on uploading images :D I thought it would be better to ask you if I did it right before I upload another hundred or so... The images originally were png with a transparent background so I converted them, did I do it correctly? By the way do you know how I should credit creators from the fan forge, should I just write their names in the comment? --Paw (talk) 10:02, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Hiya! Those images look perfectly fine to me, keep at it! And yeah you can write their names in the comments. =) - Do_odleplex 16:50, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you happy to hear that :) --Paw (talk) 16:42, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Paging Konig, shouldn't Zola be on here too?

She is. Look harder. Next to Henrietta. Konig (talk) 21:41, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

I need glasses. =x Also glad to know you're alright. - Do_odleplex 21:44, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

This is the ghost of Konig. Konig is forever. Konig is always. You cannot be rid of the Konig. The Konig is to stay. Forever. Konig (talk) 23:57, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Longhorns

Greetings Doodle, I saw you changed the Longhorn Sheep picture from "brown" to Krytan again. I've spotted the brown variant near False Lake in the Shiverpeaks. Which is hardly Kryta and thus thought the name was not appropriate. Perhaps "Temperate variant"? Sylen (talk) 04:21, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, I've been slightly swamped by the new expansion. Yeah, that sounds good to me, go for it! =) - Do_odleplex 18:08, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Griffon

Hi, why did you undo my creation of the page about the hidden mount? Karra Archflare (talk) 06:40, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I didn't, it's still there. Just that the creature type takes precedence over the mount. See [[Raptor]] and [[Raptor (mount)]]. - Do_odleplex 06:42, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

OK, but isn't the mount the page to be likely to more interest to players than the creature, and should therefore use the undisambiguated title? Karra Archflare (talk) 06:47, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

No, racial pages or group names always take priority over anything else with a similar name. Jotun and Jotun (NPC), Giant and Giant (NPC) or Ooze and Ooze (NPC) for more examples. - Do_odleplex 07:00, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for dropping into an old conversation, but I'd like your opinion on Phantasm (race). I felt that this made an acceptable exception to the rule (even if it did mean I had to edit the NPC infobox to make it work) because Phantasm is such an important mesmer mechanic. What's your opinion? --Idris (talk) 02:40, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Congrats, you're on step one of "How to confuse a Doodle" heh. I think that's the only exception because those NPCs are the result of the Mesmer's skill/mechanic, so the race page wouldn't even exist without the skill/mechanic page. - Do_odleplex 02:49, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Name change request

Hello! During registration, I tried registering as "Félix Wolf", but autocorrect messed it up and used my "I cant use spaces/special characters in my name" version. I don't know where to ask this, since all wikis have different setups on how going about this goes, so I figured I'd just ask a sysop directly. Reason I want to change my name is because I like to keep things consistent with all the wikis I use. Almost every(exception being OID based wikis) wiki I use uses this name. I would have registered a new account but it told me the name is too similar. If you can change it for me, that would be great! But if name changes are not allowed on this wiki, that is fine too. --Felixwolf (talk) 09:46, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello there Felix. I'm not Doodleplex, but posting a request on the Admin noticeboard is the right way to go. Sysops like us can't change names, but once a bureaucrat spots your request, I'm sure they'll change it. Best of luck. —Ventriloquist 11:45, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! --Felixwolf (talk)

Please don't delete lowercase redirects such as wishing well

They are useful for directly linking variously capitalized items, such as here. Karra Archflare (talk) 08:04, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Something I've learned from editing the wiki that I'll pass on to you is that quite often, the names of people/places/objects in item hints, sometimes don't match up with the actual item's name or abbreviates it to something shorter. Easy way to fix links like that in general is just go [[<correct name>|<text name>]]. Additionally, lower case redirects aren't actually needed as often anymore, somebody did some sort wiki magic so that even if you /wiki in game all lower cased you'll still go straight to the right item in upper case. =) - Do_odleplex 18:08, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Well, as you can see, [[wishing well]] does not automatically redirect to Wishing Well. I've extensive experience editing Wikipedia, and I generally follow its style guide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirect#Reasons_for_not_deleting advises: "[Do not delete redirects if] they would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc." This applies here, as deleting [[wishing well]], which is a plausible alternative spelling for Wishing Well, leaves the page empty and invites editors to create a duplicate page. Redirects are cheap, and should not be deleted where they are useful. Karra Archflare (talk) 20:33, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Correct it does not, but please keep in mind, this is not Wikipedia, and we do not operate the same way nor do we use all of their rules. Also my apologies for not explaining better: the main reason we have many lower case redirects is due to /wiki command as previously the casing needed to be correct to go to the right page. Somewhere along the line, somebody fixed that so if I were to type "/wiki legendary amber great jungle wurm head" I go straight to Legendary Amber Great Jungle Wurm Head without having to worry about the casing. That is what I meant by saying "lower case redirects aren't actually needed as often anymore". Additionally, in this particular case that redirect isn't needed, that is the only place where it was lower cased, all other references are upper cased, so it's likely just an inconsistency on Anet's part. - Do_odleplex 20:48, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Alternate accounts

You deleted the respective section from Account. But I don't see a reason to omit this information. We have no indication that it might be problematic. A quick ask on Reddit indicates the same. Karra Archflare (talk) 13:03, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

It's too much of a grey area for the official wiki unfortunately. It's for the same reason we don't have things like how to use TACO, how to map break, speed running tricks, etc, as these things, while not bannable offenses(or not currently), Anet also hasn't said they're okay to do either, and that's where the problem lies. Because of that, it really shouldn't be here. - Do_odleplex 18:08, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, but I disagree. I'll invite others to comment on Talk:Account. Karra Archflare (talk) 20:34, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Goren's Eel Tooth Charm

Goren's Eel-Tooth Charm - Ah my bad, I noticed the pic link isn't the same as the page name and assumed that it should be changed. On that note... should the pic be copied at both locations? -- User:Frvwfr2 14:03, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

No worries, Anet tends to reuse icons quite frequently so the confusion is totally understandable. Though I'm not sure what you mean by copied at both locations? - Do_odleplex 18:08, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Should the Wynn's Locket file be copied to a Goren's Eel-Tooth Charm file? -- User:Frvwfr2 18:24, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Ah you mean change the file name to that? Nah, it's alright to keep that name, it's shorter anyway, so easier to copy paste in the future if needed. ;) - Do_odleplex 18:26, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Maps

Haha did I do them right? It was more out of frustration when I was exploring that they weren't there already :P, so I figured I would help out future explorers! Only crystal oasis left, although the map is high quality now, it lacks area names. I might do it tonight if I have time. --Snpbond (not logged in at work woops)

You did them just fine, they're really good! Usually me or Chieftain Alex makes them, but I've been so busy with everything else and Alex was on vacation, so when I saw them, I was very happy with how lovely they were! =) - Do_odleplex 18:08, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

RE: Image File Types

Yeah, I noticed that after the initial uploading that one as PNG and did JPG from the following ones. I tried to redo that one as JPG as well but it threw an error saying there was already a similarly named file, that being the PNG I uploaded so I just had to edit that one into the template as PNG unless you know of some way to get it changed to JPG or something? Kezika (talk) 07:42, 30 September 2017 (UTC) UPDATE: Oh there we go, I figured out how to ignore the warning preventing me from having a .jpg version of the same file.

Haha, I see you have it figured out. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask. =) - Do_odleplex 07:49, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Shared Model Project "A" Races

Hey there Doodle! With the Awakened now being added to the game, it would probably be best to create the "A" Races page in the shared model project. I'd do it myself, but I really have no idea how to create it. Falren (talk) 15:52, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

I made a page for it. IDK if they belong under "Undead" or "Risen" or whatever, so feel free to delete it if it's too splitty.-Rain Spell (talk)

Thanks, Rainspell. You did fine. =) I've finally re-linked it to the nav, so it's linked to all the other pages now as well. - Do_odleplex 18:49, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Griffon Eggs

Hi Doodle. The dialogue for the griffon eggs was taken verbatim from the ingame interactions. Image, wiki page: Warmed Mountain Griffon Egg. I got the impression that square brackets were for actions rather than words spoken. Also in the achievement lists the eggs are services not consumables. image The "type = service" is required to get the "Takes effect immediately upon receipt" to show up above the description on the wiki page. If there are no objections I'd like to put them back to how they were before but keep the improved small text. Thanks, J.Tesla (talk) 14:33, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Hiya! That is some wonky dialogue formatting Anet has there, but based on your screenshot, it shouldn't even be on the item page, it should be on the object page since the dialogue is not from the item itself. As for the item type, since you guys decided to make achievement hints into actual items, the item infobox template page got changed so they could be added as an immediate consume type. So it should stay as a consumable, but just add "| consumable type = immediate" to make it reflect the "items" text I think(I haven't started the griffon stuff yet). - Do_odleplex 18:17, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I agree that the dialogue should be on an object page, I'm going to work on that now. A service item is actually another way of saying it's an immediately consumed item. If you check the Parameters on the Item infobox page you'll see that "service" comes under "consumable" as an item that takes immediate effect. J.Tesla (talk) 14:51, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

let's avoid speculation please...

I think we've gone from documenting common (and let's face it, fairly likely) player speculation to speculating ourselves. Surely the 'just the facts' approach would be to say, "The Strange Burning Scrolls are widely believed to hint that the Herald of Balthazar is Devona", rather than "The Strange Burning Scrolls hint that that the Herald of Balthazar is Devona"? –Santax (talk · contribs) 13:16, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Simply put, I'd rather keep the wording as is that she is possibly a Guild Wars 1 character based on the content in the game over the speculation of a group of players. - Do_odleplex 22:37, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for those deletions!

Thanks for handling those warband deletions!:) We went from 72 pages to 56 and then down to 36. I'm going to run through them again sometime to triple check and be completely anal about the whole thing, but it's definitely at the bottom of my to-do list now. <3 Cheers, have a furry quaggan. --Rain Spell (talk) 21:54, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

No problem! I think we need to figure out what to do book characters in general to possibly figure out what to do with the few warbands still up for deletion, but other than that...coo! - Do_odleplex 22:37, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

"we don't lowercase headings like that"

You sure? :P –Santax (talk · contribs) 08:45, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Glint's Legacy strikes me as being a proper noun and therefore should be capitalized. As for the other header, like I said, I don't know lore, so I thought that "Ancient Times" or at least "Ancient" is a time period similar to Medieval or Prehistoric, but if it's not then it should be lowercase to avoid confusion. Unrelated where did you get your name from? It makes me think you're tax-free, as san= without, tax=self explanatory heh. - Do_odleplex 17:46, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Legacy might be - I'll go through the dialogues from PoF and check. In Elonian history they have time periods like the Great Dynasty or the Shattered Dynasty Era, but nothing like "Ancient Times".

The username comes from my GW1 main - Santax Hollybern. I'm no good at coming up with names, but I usually just look around me, find a word I like and tweak it slightly until it sounds like generic fantasy. In this case I seem to remember liking the word "syntax" so it might have come from that, although people have since told me that sounds a bit like a brand of sanitary products so I named my GW2 account after his descendant, Tamias (genus name for "chipmunk" - I had some as pets back in 2012. I think it's Greek for "treasurer"). :P –Santax (talk · contribs) 18:44, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Ogre Warstaff

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ogre_Warstaff You can buy it from trading post. I got it as random drop [&AgGjGgEA] (item with selectable stats). When i /wiki [link] from game i can't find this item on wiki. All who tries to find it see "[&AgGjGgEA]There is no article linked with this ID (72355) yet. If you know what item this chat link links to, please add the ID to the article or create it if it does not exist yet." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 109.63.133.184 (talk) at 19:31, 16 October 2017 (UTC) (UTC).

Ahhh I see, thanks for that information! Chieftan Alex has temporarily added the id to the infobox, but I think it might be more helpful to split it off as a new page since it's not crafted. Can you tell me what the stats are that you can select on it? - Do_odleplex 19:48, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

I sold it already, sorry :/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 109.63.133.184 (talk) at 16:29, 16 October 2017 (UTC) (UTC).

No worries! I'll try to look into it later today. Either way, thank you for bringing it up. =) - Do_odleplex 20:30, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Cleric's, Berserker's, Rampager's, Carrion, Shaman's, Dire. SarielV 15:55, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Aaaand I should've checked to see if you'd already written it up XD SarielV 15:57, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Collection navs

Are a thing. You're welcome. --Idris (talk) 02:32, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

To be fair, I reworked those pages before there was a collection back in August. ;) - Do_odleplex 02:34, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Ah, so you did. I must have misread the dates, my mistake. I thought it was weird you weren't aware of the collection nav! --Idris (talk) 02:43, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

I'll see about having my bot run through and fixing the rest later after dinner unless they're driving you absolutely crazy or something heh. To be honest, the only reason why I didn't do that already was I wasn't sure which of the new achievements they were part of. - Do_odleplex 02:52, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh, no need, I'm happy to do it myself. Can't be bothered tonight, though. I somehow managed to be too excited about donating blood today to get any sleep last night, so now I'm drained in more ways than one. :p --Idris (talk) 03:11, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

The wiki will willingly accept any donations of sweat and tears. G R E E N E R 04:07, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Man. At least the NHS lets you recuperate for three months before they start demanding more donations. --Idris (talk) 04:33, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

(Reset indent) "Guild Wars 2 Wiki page User talk:Doodleplex has been changed by Idris" is the top 5 messages in my inbox. Lol, you guys. XD - Do_odleplex 05:59, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Drooburt: "they're two very different NPCs"

← moved to Talk:Drooburt's Ghost#"they're two very different NPCs"

Documenting engage skill effects

I'm thinking about documenting effects of the mount masteries, what is the "default" amount of attributes I should have to match the rest of the skill pages? And who would know if you don't know? -Hirebrand (talk)

I deal very little with the technicalities of skills and effects other than fixing a link here and there, so unfortunately I honestly don't have a clue who to even point you at. The only thing I can suggest is to ask your question at Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Community portal, I think that's your best bet. - Do_odleplex 23:33, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Skill formatting#Skill facts is the article you're looking for, I think. --Idris (talk) 02:29, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey so

We've been waiting for some kind of response on Talk:Drooburt's Ghost for over a day now, during which you've made like 200 other edits. It's a little discourteous to ask a conversation to pause for you and then go do other stuff instead. I want to point out, again, that this content is only relevant for a couple of weeks, so time is of the essence. - Felix Omni 00:40, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

I wanted to make sure I had my thoughts figured out and calm down a bit, doing other stuff usually helps me with that. Will poke at it in a bit. - Do_odleplex 00:59, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

While I recognize the need to re-approach things with a clearer perspective, I would like to say a few things.

• First, working on this collaborative project that we call a wiki is not about being personally right or wrong. We work together while recognizing that our perspectives will differ from others. It's why we look for consensus instead of agreement.
• Second, if we ever feel our judgment is being clouded, we should should step back, as you did. But if the intent is to step back to order to re-engage with the same points, rather than seek to understand other contributors' points of views, then no progress can be made.
• Third, I've been proud of the discourse on the wiki for some time, where contributors have sought to first hear from others on topics. I would like to see our admin continue to do the same as a means of setting an example; as a symbol of how consensus works. I've held the belief for a long time that our admin are beholden to the community, and in this regard they come with shackles.

G R E E N E R 01:39, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Image deletes and then moves from numbered images

Hey there, while looking through stuff here on the wiki i noticed you delete a lot of pictures for items and replace them with some numbered files. So my question is.. why is this and why not keep the original existing files? e.g. I recently uploaded images for items new to Halloween 2017 which were taken directly from the link available in the api. So to my understanding the image could not be any better than the one provided by anet themselves, am i wrong here? Autositz (talk) 07:15, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Hiya! The newer icons are from the game files, the .dat, and are the best quality versions of the icons that we can get. We usually prefer to get the images from there if possible, so that's what I was doing, updating them. Also I was having issues with image cache bugs, so I couldn't save the original version, and had to just stick with the new version. - Do_odleplex 07:28, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey Autositz, thanks for uploading those icons. I, too, often find myself at the API before anywhere else when it comes to icons, and I've always been confused why Anet has two different sets of them, one on the API and one on the .dat.

One neat trick I've done recently when staring at a missing icon is to take the seven-digit icon number from the API, and then go hunting for those numbers over at User:Darqam/Dat Icons. Most times, I can find that seven-digit number matching over there, and then I can just move the icon to its new home. G R E E N E R 08:33, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Just a theory here Greener, but I think the difference between the api images and the one ones in the .dat is that the ones in the api are lower in file size to be used on website pages(for example, the Gem Store if I remember right is generated via a web page) and the ones in the dat are the icons we see when we play the game. So less bandwith using versions in the API, pretty icons for players in game. - Do_odleplex 20:55, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the info on the icons. Makes sense. Just looks weird in the logs. ;) Bad habit of me to read them anyways... -.- Autositz (talk) 16:07, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Just FYI, there's no noticeable difference between the visual quality of the API and dat files so either source is fine. -Chieftain Alex 16:54, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Event dialogue

Hey, from what I've seen on most of the event pages, the npc's event related dialogue goes on their page. However, I just noticed in the formatting guide that it says Optional section. If any NPC has event-specific dialogue when interacted with, add it here. Make use of the {{dialogue icon|...}} template.. So, do we add the dialogue on npc page, or event page? Sime (talk) 13:23, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

That was apparently added in 2012 and was never updated, since last I checked any interaction dialogue an NPC has, regardless of when it occurs, should go on the NPC's page. I've updated that sentence accordingly, so thanks asking about that. =) - Do_odleplex 18:25, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Talkora

You deleted [[Talkora]] just as I was in the middle of removing the delete tag. :p This seems like a reasonable misspelling of her name, and it's important to keep common misspellings up as redirect pages, since it's clear what the user was searching for and there's no need to punish them for guessing wrong. --Idris (talk) 19:43, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

If it was a common misspelling I wouldn't have, but in this case it was not("Thalkora" is the common misspelling). Additionally even the redirect of the correct name is low usage, most people don't care about the object/remains after getting their griffon, so the need for a common spelling redirect for isn't needed. - Do_odleplex 19:59, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Ooh, you have access to the search history? Can anyone see it, or is it for admins only? --Idris (talk) 20:00, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Let's just go with I have lots of toys to play with. ;) - Do_odleplex 20:05, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Disagree that "Thalkora" would be a more common misspelling, since that actually sounds different- you'd have to not even know her name to spell it with a 'th.' Talkora, on the other hand, lacks a letter that doesn't change the pronunciation. That being said, I haven't actually completed the PoF story yet so I don't personally have any idea how much this matters. - Felix Omni 20:06, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

I agree with you Felix, but having completed PoF, I also agree with Doodle that this isn't hugely important. Most folks searching for this NPC will be trying "The Last Spearmarshal". By the way Doodle, while I have your attention: I'm still waiting for a response over on Template talk:Section-stub, in case you forgot about it. --Idris (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, the original concept art for her was misspelled by the artist. G R E E N E R 20:14, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I can't respond because you guys kept on ecing me lol. But yeah Felix it's like Idris said, not really important and doesn't have anything to do with the PoF story, it's just part of an optional side quest that you only need to interact with once sort of thing. Idris I totally forgot, I'll go poke at it now. - Do_odleplex 20:16, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Normally I'd agree that Talkora is a likely mispelling, but that's for GW1 players. GW2 players probably wouldn't even think of typing "Tahlkora" let alone Talkora unless they hear it vocally from friends/guildies. And those who would spell Tahlkora would probably include the h somewhere - those who hear it would probably spell it Talhkora (I know I have once or twice) or Thalkora even if the latter sounds notably different.

Either way, I'd argue as much as she was my absolute favorite hero monk in GW1 (and easily one of top five heroes/henchmen in general), there probably isn't much need for any misspelling of the name since what most players would encounter is not Tahlkora but "Remains of the Last Spearmarshal". Konig (talk) 21:07, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Seems I went and caused a nice kerfuffle by accident. Oops --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 21:33, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Not entirely, I already was planning on tagging it for deletion myself for the reasons Konig stated above(minus the favorite character thing), seeing somebody else tag it just confirmed what I was already thinking. So, no worries. - Do_odleplex 21:40, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Upload text

I do keep forgetting, so I'll drop this here: MediaWiki:Uploadtext. Mock things up that you'd like to change and see if you can turn this red link blue. G R E E N E R 02:44, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Done. Let me know what you think. - Do_odleplex 23:12, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

L' RC

While I appreciate your dedication to the cause, could we have such edits in smaller batches? It's nice to be able to press the 500 button and see edits from at least a decent time ago :P. And yes, I know I'm being hypocritical! G R E E N E R 20:54, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I didn't think I'd be able to get through them with any sort of decent speed; I expected it to be slower due to messy formatting, all over the place for vendor tables. I'll do the rest with J.A.R.V.I.S. - Do_odleplex 21:07, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

No worries. I know what' it's like to get on a roll with things. G R E E N E R 21:19, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Since it's mostly wiki-text whitespace edits, and today seems to be a really bad day for the ANet servers, is it necessary at all? -Chieftain Alex 21:20, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

It was on my to-do list. I'm just trying to keep myself busy so I don't think about something else. - Do_odleplex 21:24, 31 October 2017 (UTC)