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Icons on game updates
can probably use {{icon}} now so icons are generated automatically :P--Relyk ~ talk < 19:18, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- That template is missing a description and manual. poke | talk 19:19, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- That never stopped anyone.--Relyk ~ talk < 19:22, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- used on 3 pages. no manual doesn't help people trying to use it :p (obligatory historical question). I've added some text to the template page, fix it how you see fit. -Chieftain Alex
19:50, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- You don’t seriously call that thing on that user template a manual, do you? :P
- Also, is this icon template efficient enough to be used on update pages? On long update pages? poke | talk 19:55, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- The problem occurred because someone didn't close brackets iirc. 200 fireballs takes 6 seconds instead of like 2 seconds with {{simple icon}}, which is shit. If we want to make the templates efficient, we need to use formatting template(s) instead of passing the job to the icon templates. It's only convenience right now.--Relyk ~ talk < 20:50, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- User:Relyk/genericicon is about 2 seconds slower than simple icon for 400 icons total, that's seems to be manageable for even large update pages. Formatting would have to be included directly to avoid the template size limit in the game updates DPL query, I did similar with the recipe list.--Relyk ~ talk < 21:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- used on 3 pages. no manual doesn't help people trying to use it :p (obligatory historical question). I've added some text to the template page, fix it how you see fit. -Chieftain Alex
- That never stopped anyone.--Relyk ~ talk < 19:22, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
your opinion/assistance requested
User talk:Dr ishmael#An unlikely request - Did you know we had this usergroup? —Dr Ishmael 
15:03, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Chat link search.js
Can you make a small change to the chat link search.js so that it shows you the ID number even if it links to an article? The reason I ask for this is because right now, if an ID is used, whether its in the right place or not, the ID number is hidden in the results. Often its in the right place but I've already copypasta'd over the code with other stuff so I have to reopen the edit window to get the ID. Its annoying. I tried having a modified version of the chat link search js load in my personal js, but it didn't work. It'd make my cleanup of karma vendors much easier if I could still the ID in search results. Also you could take it out after I was done and I wouldn't care. Psycho Robot (talk) 19:26, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
- Sure thing, changed it do display the id as well. It will appear in the parentheses at the end (e.g. instead of “(item)” it will now say “(item #1234)”). poke | talk 19:42, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
IRC
plox 
17:25, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
1st April
I hate you. Psycho Robot (talk) 00:05, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
patrol usergroup
Main discussion
what exactly would the user need to prove to be able to be assigned this usergroup? I want it for User:Psycho Robot, and I'm not prepared to let this useful usergroup be unused. -Chieftain Alex 18:19, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
- I’m not sure, but I’m happy to obligue with what the community thinks is appropriate. So feel free to bring it up on GW2W:PP#Administrators, or we can also talk about it here (I don’t really mind). I don’t have an opinion of how we would use that role, given that we don’t utilize the patrolling feature, so I would like to get some comments from the community first before deciding about it. Tanetris, I know you’re reading this, so please comment too. poke | talk 18:24, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
- I don't know why you would say such a thing. - Tanetris (talk) 03:54, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- Any editors who spend their time actually editing need the features that patrol usergroup comes with. -Auron 08:34, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- I feel like we had this discussion somewhat recently... I agree with Auron. —Dr Ishmael 12:22, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- I’m personally fine with introducing the group if that’s what the community desires, and if we can come up with a clear “role” for it. What do you think about the name “trusted editor” instead of “patrol”? We would still need some way to apply for it though. Would you prefer something as complex as RfAs, or would you be okay with leaving it to bureaucrat discretion making it more along the lines of GW2W:RUM or requests for API editorship? Would we have some mid-way, maybe a simple request that requires approval from at least X administrators (or other trusted users)? poke | talk 12:58, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- Bcrat discretion is fine. Pretty much any recognizable editor who asks should probably get it, and if someone has an "issue" bcrats can just explain why that person isn't getting the tools. Any abuse of the tools will most likely lead to loss of tools and/or blocks from editing - we can probably just include that in the info section on whichever page it ends up going on.
- "Trusted editor" seems a little... exclusionary, though. If there's a group for "trusted editors," does that mean the rest are untrustworthy? I can't say I'm a huge fan of "patrol" as the group name, but it's fairly impersonal and seems like a name befitting a list of tools. I could definitely get behind a different name, though - what about something like Wiki Krewe? -Auron 13:25, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- A name I've suggested before for roles like this is "power users" (or "power editors"), because I see it as a group for users who do a LOT of editing and have a very good understanding of the GW2W:PP, to where they have both the need for additional tools and the understanding to use them appropriately. I can also see it being something we grant to users on a temporary basis, as in the case of the two requests that have been made on my talk page (Konig and Psycho; I seem to remember Alex had made a similar query before being promoted to admin). —Dr Ishmael 16:07, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- Speaking for myself, I have no problem giving it out pretty freely to anyonewho wants it as long as they have a history of constructive edits in general line with consensus and no edit warring. By and large, I would say that anyone who knows enough to ask for the usergroup and who's been here awhile should know that just because you have the ability to suppress redirects doesn't mean you always should. And if someone occasionally makes the wrong call, it's not exactly difficult for literally anyone to remake the redirect. Similarly rollback, if someone already doesn't abuse reverts, we can presume that they will not start just because it's fewer clicks to do so, and presumably they will be aware that sometimes you still need to go through a regular revert to give a proper edit summary explanation or so forth. And again, can always be undone by anyone.
- However, I don't particularly agree with giving the group a special name beyond the default. It's not like sysops and bcrats where you take on a different role along with the powers. An editor with patrol is an editor, and does the exact same things that any other editor does. Anything to indicate that people who have it are special or elevated beyond other editors is asking for trouble in the future. - Tanetris (talk) 21:04, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- So you would prefer having it more of an unofficial thing instead? So anyone who wants it, just requests—on their behalf without additional information—it directly from one of the bcrats? poke | talk 21:29, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- Pretty much. Is there a particular reason to make it any more complicated than that? At the very most, I wouldn't want to see it get any more complicated than API editorship, and even that mostly just to keep it in a single, easily pointed-to place - Tanetris (talk) 00:37, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- (Edit conflict) "However, I don't particularly agree with giving the group a special name beyond the default." This is already a custom usergroup, created by the German wiki, which means there's no "default" to speak of. And as Poke said, "we don’t utilize the patrolling feature", so the name they gave it doesn't make any sense to us. —Dr Ishmael 00:38, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- If the name is a point of contention, how about just calling it "suppress redirect" to name it after the only feature that we will actually use? Psycho Robot (talk) 00:40, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- @Ish: Why the name is what it is is irrelevant to my point. It could be RightsSet0107 after Auron's birthday and I'd say why bother changing it. It has a name that is sufficiently recognizable for bcrats to find it on the user rights management page, and that's all it needs to do. - Tanetris (talk) 02:49, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- I'm on my easter break, so apologies for getting the discussion rolling and then disappearing
- I agree that the name of the usergroup doesn't matter provided the b'crat knows. I'll draw up a sketch of what I think the request page could look like. -Chieftain Alex 10:29, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- User:Chieftain Alex/sandbox/Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Requests for suppress redirect. (user right could be renamed to "suppress" I suppose if we felt like renaming) -Chieftain Alex 10:57, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- @Ish: Why the name is what it is is irrelevant to my point. It could be RightsSet0107 after Auron's birthday and I'd say why bother changing it. It has a name that is sufficiently recognizable for bcrats to find it on the user rights management page, and that's all it needs to do. - Tanetris (talk) 02:49, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- (Edit conflict) "However, I don't particularly agree with giving the group a special name beyond the default." This is already a custom usergroup, created by the German wiki, which means there's no "default" to speak of. And as Poke said, "we don’t utilize the patrolling feature", so the name they gave it doesn't make any sense to us. —Dr Ishmael
- Pretty much. Is there a particular reason to make it any more complicated than that? At the very most, I wouldn't want to see it get any more complicated than API editorship, and even that mostly just to keep it in a single, easily pointed-to place - Tanetris (talk) 00:37, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- So you would prefer having it more of an unofficial thing instead? So anyone who wants it, just requests—on their behalf without additional information—it directly from one of the bcrats? poke | talk 21:29, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- A name I've suggested before for roles like this is "power users" (or "power editors"), because I see it as a group for users who do a LOT of editing and have a very good understanding of the GW2W:PP, to where they have both the need for additional tools and the understanding to use them appropriately. I can also see it being something we grant to users on a temporary basis, as in the case of the two requests that have been made on my talk page (Konig and Psycho; I seem to remember Alex had made a similar query before being promoted to admin). —Dr Ishmael
- I’m personally fine with introducing the group if that’s what the community desires, and if we can come up with a clear “role” for it. What do you think about the name “trusted editor” instead of “patrol”? We would still need some way to apply for it though. Would you prefer something as complex as RfAs, or would you be okay with leaving it to bureaucrat discretion making it more along the lines of GW2W:RUM or requests for API editorship? Would we have some mid-way, maybe a simple request that requires approval from at least X administrators (or other trusted users)? poke | talk 12:58, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- I feel like we had this discussion somewhat recently... I agree with Auron. —Dr Ishmael
- Any editors who spend their time actually editing need the features that patrol usergroup comes with. -Auron 08:34, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- I don't know why you would say such a thing. - Tanetris (talk) 03:54, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
(Reset indent) veering a little off topic but maybe this new usergroup could be given to people who want to become full on admins as a test of responsibility and be a part of the Rfa's process? also I think that the new page that poke made, should list the people in this usergroup.-
Zesbeer 22:23, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- The way this is turning, being more an inofficial thing without a clear ruling who should get it and when, I don’t think this is appropriate as a requirement for RfAs. Also, we have so super few people interested in becoming an administrator (judging by the number of RfAs), that additional requirements are absolutely not necessary.
- Also, the page has a link to a “list of extended editors” at the bottom… poke | talk 22:57, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- (Edit conflict) I would not want this group to be seen as a stepping stone to greater power.
22:57, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- I got one last thing to ask about this group. Is it possible for a crat to add noratelimit to the rights of this group, or would that involve getting the lumbering giant of anet to turn its attention to this issue? Moving 4 pages at a time can get irritating at times. Psycho Robot (talk) 00:11, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Group name
Breaking into subsections so the primary discussion can continue apace without even having to look at this. We can change the name at any time using a system message, such as we've already done for MediaWiki:Group-sysop/MediaWiki:Group-sysop-member to change from the default "Administrator" to "Sysop".
To recap, I am arguing that leaving it named "patrol" would be illogical and confusing, since that's not what the group would be used for on this wiki. Poke suggested "trusted users," which Auron felt was exclusionary, to which he suggested "Wiki Krewe." I then suggested "power users." Psycho Robot suggested "suppress redirect," but that would just be exchanging one specific right (patrolled edits) for another, even though it already has more rights than just that one, and we may add more rights to it in the future. I think we should avoid renaming it for anything specific, since that's what's got us in this naming argument to begin with. —Dr Ishmael 12:55, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- I think no one really cares what the name is, as long as the user group is enabled as a tool now rather than languishing as a theoretical policy wonk debate for weeks. There doesn't seem to be any disagreement that it should be done, so as you say, get that accomplished now and worry about changing the name later. Vili 点
14:37, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Well, I care Vili :P
- I agree that naming it “supress redirect” would be bad. The other major functionality that gets available by it is rollback, and I actually give that one a lot more weight than supressing redirects. I.e. when deciding whether a user would get into the group, I would primarily think about whether the user would trusted to use rollback.
- While “Wiki Krewe” in general is a nice name for stuff, I don’t really want to use it as a meta name for something. It has a too much in-game-y feel to me, and I actually consider anyone who contributes to the wiki part of the “Wiki Krewe”. The group name should definitely show that this is some extended rights someone can get. So going with that literally, what would you think about something like “Extended permissions editors”? poke | talk 14:42, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- How about "toolbox?" 14:51, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Combine that with my suggestion and we'd have "power tools." Or we could call them "super tools," and that would at least be a fitting description for Psycho.
- Seriously, I like the idea there, but "toolbox" isn't quite right for a group name. The group would be users who use the toolbox... maybe "wiki mechanics" or something along those lines? —Dr Ishmael 14:59, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Tool Kit is an "Engineer" skill. Vili 点 15:01, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Psych and the Mechanics. — snograt
15:52, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- "Extended toolset users"? -Chieftain Alex 16:00, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Wouldn't simply calling them "Editors" work? Its basic, but still distinguishes members since its going down the whole unofficial/pick me route. --Dragonsawareness (talk) 16:54, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Anyone who makes any edits at all is an editor. —Dr Ishmael 17:13, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Well yes, but the user group is called users, but I see how it could be seen as confusing. --Dragonsawareness (talk) 17:14, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- "Psycho Robot's Minions"? Psycho Robot (talk) 17:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Or maybe just “Extended editors”? Given that they are normal editors but extended by a small part? poke | talk 17:34, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- ^ I think this will be the only way of distinguishing the group, while at the same time showing that its not a super elevated usergroup. --Dragonsawareness (talk) 17:37, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- sounds good do it do it do it. Psycho Robot (talk) 18:55, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- ^ I think this will be the only way of distinguishing the group, while at the same time showing that its not a super elevated usergroup. --Dragonsawareness (talk) 17:37, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Or maybe just “Extended editors”? Given that they are normal editors but extended by a small part? poke | talk 17:34, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- "Psycho Robot's Minions"? Psycho Robot (talk) 17:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Well yes, but the user group is called users, but I see how it could be seen as confusing. --Dragonsawareness (talk) 17:14, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Anyone who makes any edits at all is an editor. —Dr Ishmael
- Wouldn't simply calling them "Editors" work? Its basic, but still distinguishes members since its going down the whole unofficial/pick me route. --Dragonsawareness (talk) 16:54, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- "Extended toolset users"? -Chieftain Alex
- Psych and the Mechanics. — snograt
- Tool Kit is an "Engineer" skill. Vili 点
- How about "toolbox?"
- Alright, I changed the group name. The topic of the discussion above is still unresolved though; meanwhile, Tanetris went ahead and made PR an “extended editor”. poke | talk 21:38, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oh baby you have no idea just how extended I am. Psycho Robot (talk) 21:56, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- not sure If I should be afraid or...- Zesbeer 22:17, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- not sure If I should be afraid or...-
- Oh baby you have no idea just how extended I am. Psycho Robot (talk) 21:56, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Help page
I created a help page for the group, considering that it seems to end up more as an inofficial thing. The page should give some basic instructions on how to use the new permissions, and will also tell how to get the permissions as soon as we agreed on that… poke | talk 21:58, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Acquiring the user group
Now that Psycho Robot got into the group it seems like there is no more interest in it for now? Unless you tell me otherwise, I’ll go ahead with Tanetris’ plan and we’ll leave this user group unadvertised, with the assignment completely left to bcrat discretion. Editors interested in the additional rights can openly request the assignment by one of the bureaucrats who can then decide about it. So, no special “requests for extended editor rights” page or anything. Is that okay for everyone? poke | talk 23:58, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
- Is it acceptable for sysops to make suggestions to the bcrats? I don't have any in mind right now, but for the future. —Dr Ishmael 00:00, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- Absolutely. Being a “hidden” user group, it will somewhat depend on others suggesting it anyway (e.g. “hey XY, I have seen you do YZ. You might want to check out the extended editor group which might help you do it more efficiently.”). Of course, instead of telling the user about it and having them ask for it, you could totally ask a bcrat directly and invite the user in question over to the discussion too.
- This of course does not apply to sysops only. If you (any editor) think someone (or yourself) deserves or could utilize it, feel free to suggest it. poke | talk 00:04, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- I hope the bureaucrat tells the user that they promoted them to extended editor :P--Relyk ~ talk < 00:43, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- No, it’s a surprise thing. We also considering giving it out randomly on people’s birthdays. poke | talk 00:45, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- It's not an anet birthday unless you already know what it contains. Psycho Robot (talk) 00:47, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- My birthday is not until December, Tanetris. :D - anja
06:24, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- My birthday is not until December, Tanetris. :D - anja
- It's not an anet birthday unless you already know what it contains. Psycho Robot (talk) 00:47, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- No, it’s a surprise thing. We also considering giving it out randomly on people’s birthdays. poke | talk 00:45, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- I hope the bureaucrat tells the user that they promoted them to extended editor :P--Relyk ~ talk < 00:43, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
April 2014 update
Thank you for your work in the Daily/Research page. I used it for guessing the cycle.
Sorry for my english. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by FrAgTaL86 (talk • contribs) at 21:48, 25 April 2014 (UTC).
- You’re welcome! Am I right with assuming that you were the IP who added the guesses? If so, then thanks a lot for your contribution! :) poke | talk 22:03, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Hey idiot
Make me a bot and a supermegaeditor, and make it snappy. You owe me. Psycho Robotbot-bot (talk) 21:35, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- I need some confirmation from the real Psycho Robot that proves that you are a real deal :P poke | talk 21:37, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- He paid me to endorse this request. Psycho Robot (talk) 21:39, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- Alright. poke | talk 22:03, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- Wait, does this mean that the whole extended editor discussion was now completely redundant? Meh, I hate you. poke | talk 22:09, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- No. I'd edit on my bot but move on this account. Moving from AWB sucks! Psycho Robot (talk) 22:13, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- That’s a shame though because bots don’t have a move rate limit :P poke | talk 22:15, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- Does move rate limit come under APIhighlimits? -Chieftain Alex 22:33, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- No, but afaik the rate limits weren’t set for bots… poke | talk 23:24, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- $wgRateLimits isn't set per groups, it has different functionality. As far as I can make out, the
noratelimituser right isn't "rolled up" in any other right, not evenbot. So since Special:ListGroupRights doesn't show it for our Bots group, the only logical conclusion is that our Bots do fall under the rate limits. - I bet this issue hasn't come up before because the only other active bots, mine and Poke's, are both also Sysops. —Dr Ishmael 00:27, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- and my psuedo AWB bot always had a 1 sec delay built into the save button anyway so I don't think I would have noticed. -Chieftain Alex 00:31, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- Sigh. Can we just go ahead and rename it Special:RecentPsychos? — snograt 05:44, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- Just because this will get forgotten, it'd be good to organise noratelimit for bot accounts. (I keep seeing psycho robot moving files in blocks of 4) -Chieftain Alex 23:43, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Just because this will get forgotten, it'd be good to organise noratelimit for bot accounts. (I keep seeing psycho robot moving files in blocks of 4) -Chieftain Alex
- Sigh. Can we just go ahead and rename it Special:RecentPsychos? — snograt
- and my psuedo AWB bot always had a 1 sec delay built into the save button anyway so I don't think I would have noticed. -Chieftain Alex
- $wgRateLimits isn't set per groups, it has different functionality. As far as I can make out, the
- No, but afaik the rate limits weren’t set for bots… poke | talk 23:24, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- Does move rate limit come under APIhighlimits? -Chieftain Alex
- That’s a shame though because bots don’t have a move rate limit :P poke | talk 22:15, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- No. I'd edit on my bot but move on this account. Moving from AWB sucks! Psycho Robot (talk) 22:13, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- Wait, does this mean that the whole extended editor discussion was now completely redundant? Meh, I hate you. poke | talk 22:09, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- Alright. poke | talk 22:03, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
- He paid me to endorse this request. Psycho Robot (talk) 21:39, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
hey poke
(Reset indent) If you trust me to be able to fix Psycho's edits with my own bot, I'd also be happy to have a bot flag for User:AWB Alex if you're good for it. -Chieftain Alex 10:50, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you. -Chieftain Alex 13:07, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- Don’t mess up :P poke | talk 13:58, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- ok I've gotten the message by now :P -Chieftain Alex 15:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- Well, it doesn’t hurt to repeat the message ;P poke | talk 18:00, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- true, I should have come to you and just put a note on your talk page prompting you to do it :p Its what happens when the guy who can't do js guesses his way to a solution. -Chieftain Alex 18:04, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, I have been thinking the same when I saw it… “Why didn’t he just tell me? *sigh*” ;D poke | talk 18:07, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- I still feel awkward asking you about .js after some of the crap questions I asked when doing GW2WT. -Chieftain Alex 18:17, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- I still feel awkward asking you about .js after some of the crap questions I asked when doing GW2WT. -Chieftain Alex
- Yeah, I have been thinking the same when I saw it… “Why didn’t he just tell me? *sigh*” ;D poke | talk 18:07, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- true, I should have come to you and just put a note on your talk page prompting you to do it :p Its what happens when the guy who can't do js guesses his way to a solution. -Chieftain Alex
- Well, it doesn’t hurt to repeat the message ;P poke | talk 18:00, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- ok I've gotten the message by now :P -Chieftain Alex
- Don’t mess up :P poke | talk 13:58, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Bot help?
I just discovered most of the dungeon armor is renamed. I started with Ascalonian Catacombs and spammed RC for a while before Tanetris reminded me this might be bot work. Can you check User:Anja Astor/Sandbox and see if this is reasonable as bot work? There are a lot of inconsistencies, as usual with Anet. - anja 
08:30, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- and per GW2W:SMW#Issues, because of all of the semantic templates on these pages, we're going to have to blank and unblank them to reset the semantic properties which duplicate themselves, thus messing up loads of our templates ><. I've turned off everything semantic in {{Dungeon equipment}} because some of the properties generated upon move by that template can't be fixed by blanking. -Chieftain Alex 10:34, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Also, all of the icons of the same naming structure will need moving too. -Chieftain Alex 10:53, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- I get throttled after 4 moves >.> not so useful for a 288 page move (6 pieces, 3 weights, 8 sets, files + pages). I've setup a lazy .js script with all the replacement names at User:AWB Alex/common.js but I'd need admin rights to get it done :p -Chieftain Alex 12:09, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- You, my list isn't full coverage just a damage assessment really. I just wanted to know if it was possible or not before making an official bot request :) - anja 13:11, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- I've no idea what script poke would use to move files, it definitely sounds like a bot task though.
- You, my list isn't full coverage just a damage assessment really. I just wanted to know if it was possible or not before making an official bot request :) - anja
- I get throttled after 4 moves >.> not so useful for a 288 page move (6 pieces, 3 weights, 8 sets, files + pages). I've setup a lazy .js script with all the replacement names at User:AWB Alex/common.js but I'd need admin rights to get it done :p -Chieftain Alex
- Furnace reward + Dredge -> Forgeman
- Helm -> Headguard
- Pauldrons -> Shoulders
- Breastplate -> Jacket
- Gauntlets -> Gloves
- Legguards -> Breeches
- Greaves -> Boots
- were the above 6 referring to the medium items btw? -Chieftain Alex 13:34, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oh, yep they should be, those are typical medium item names. I can double check :) - anja 14:01, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oh, yep they should be, those are typical medium item names. I can double check :) - anja
- were the above 6 referring to the medium items btw? -Chieftain Alex
- Because Alex always starts right away, and I’m bad at armor pages stuff. What’s the current status on this? Is bot stuff still required? If so, I can set up a quick blank->move->unblank bot for this… Just tell me what to do ^^ poke | talk 15:22, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- I've not touched the pages, I'll do the files though. -Chieftain Alex 15:35, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Why do the files? You’ll be throttled there too… poke | talk 15:36, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- sure, but the files are easy. plus I've already done 100 of them.. -Chieftain Alex 15:42, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- imo, it does not really help if you start moving the files when the articles are still in their old state. That way you just make everything confusing because the articles will be full of missing images, and nobody knows which images already exist and which don’t… :/ poke | talk 16:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- they all exist, except light forge icons, which need uploading + then the icon parameter removed. -Chieftain Alex 16:47, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- If the articles aren't moved tomorrow when I finish work, I'll start moving them manually so there's less confusion :) - anja 19:12, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Well, give me a list, and I’ll move them, including blanking and unblanking. I just need a list… because to me it seems like a huge mess… poke | talk 19:50, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oh I'm sorry, I thought you'd have got that by now :D See User:AWB Alex/list - edit it and you'll basically find a .csv file. (laid out like: original page name,target page name) -Chieftain Alex 20:01, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Can I trust that list? :o poke | talk 20:41, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- (Edit conflict) It is a huge mess Poke :D Remember, this is how it always is :) And thank you Alex for making an understandable list from my scribbles :P I double checked it and as far as I can see it's good! - anja 20:46, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- That’s why I always left armor stuff to you :P If you say the list is good, I’m going to run through it now. poke | talk 20:48, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- super. and if it does move the wrong page, then I blame not doing it in sequence :D (and I'll fix it after dinner) -Chieftain Alex 21:13, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Done. poke | talk 21:42, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Regrettably its not finished yet. There was a bit at the bottom of User:Anja Astor/Sandbox. Each article a) needs the first bit of text replaced with the current pagename, and b), needs Lion's Arch replaced with Gendarran Fields. -Chieftain Alex 21:58, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Regrettably its not finished yet. There was a bit at the bottom of User:Anja Astor/Sandbox. Each article a) needs the first bit of text replaced with the current pagename, and b), needs Lion's Arch replaced with Gendarran Fields. -Chieftain Alex
- Done. poke | talk 21:42, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- super. and if it does move the wrong page, then I blame not doing it in sequence :D (and I'll fix it after dinner) -Chieftain Alex
- That’s why I always left armor stuff to you :P If you say the list is good, I’m going to run through it now. poke | talk 20:48, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oh I'm sorry, I thought you'd have got that by now :D See User:AWB Alex/list - edit it and you'll basically find a .csv file. (laid out like: original page name,target page name) -Chieftain Alex
- Well, give me a list, and I’ll move them, including blanking and unblanking. I just need a list… because to me it seems like a huge mess… poke | talk 19:50, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- If the articles aren't moved tomorrow when I finish work, I'll start moving them manually so there's less confusion :) - anja
- they all exist, except light forge icons, which need uploading + then the icon parameter removed. -Chieftain Alex
- imo, it does not really help if you start moving the files when the articles are still in their old state. That way you just make everything confusing because the articles will be full of missing images, and nobody knows which images already exist and which don’t… :/ poke | talk 16:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- sure, but the files are easy. plus I've already done 100 of them.. -Chieftain Alex
- Light sorrow's embrace armor (forge armor) has the same icons as light ascalonian catacombs armor, the whole set. Psycho Robot (talk) 20:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Why do the files? You’ll be throttled there too… poke | talk 15:36, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- I've not touched the pages, I'll do the files though. -Chieftain Alex
Do more stuff
- (Table removed)
I stole the format alex used because I reckon it might be easier. Psycho Robot (talk) 21:55, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
- No tables on my talk page please… :/ I hate that.
- Also: done. Do the icons need to be moved too? poke | talk 10:55, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
- Hehe - I saw that and thought; "poke's going to hate that!" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Snograt (talk • contribs).
- Nooo - Felix did it and ran away :( — snograt 16:12, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
- I'm sure that you worked it out by now poke, but the icons were a poisoned chalice which i drank from, and so you don't need to worry about them. -Chieftain Alex 19:44, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
- I'm sure that you worked it out by now poke, but the icons were a poisoned chalice which i drank from, and so you don't need to worry about them. -Chieftain Alex
- Nooo - Felix did it and ran away :( — snograt
- Hehe - I saw that and thought; "poke's going to hate that!" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Snograt (talk • contribs).
Delete pls
Pls delete Armageddon armor, Rubicon armor, and Aurora armor. They are just redirects and I need to move pages there. Psycho Robot (talk) 23:54, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Dailies
I feel for you, poke - I really do. — snograt
21:56, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Bot Flag request
It has become apparent that I will be making a lot of repetitive changes due to I am working on the Living world changes project and NPC's are moving a lot. Rather then burden the existing bots with the massive requests bound to come I am requesting if it would be OK if I get a bot flag on a Bot account User:AWB_anzenketh I will be using AutoWikiBrowser for the edits. Anzenketh (talk) 00:26, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
- Hmm, can you give me some examples of things you would do with it? I looked over the project page but to me it seems that most of the stuff involves content changes which I really wouldn’t want to hide with bot edits. poke | talk 06:23, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
- GW2W:BOTS currently has some requests I put in that if a bot ran it would go a lot easier then manual edits. I would really only use it for repetitive changes for example Multiple NPCs moving to the same location, Items/events/etc.. being removed from the game and flagging them as historical and/or adding a {{temporary}} header(see here for why I said and/or). Changes that actually include content that and are not repetitive I would use this account for. If you don't want location changes or flagging items as historical hidden from the recent changes list. That is fine. I could just run the bot on the account without the flag but I read that is discouraged. Unless I read things wrong. Anzenketh (talk) 07:27, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
- Well, AWB edits are somewhat a gray area since its edits are somewhat always monitored. As for making items historical or applying {{temporary}} I would rather see the edits done without a bot. As for the NPC location, I’m not sure. Wasn’t the point of {{Location result}} (which isn’t really the best name btw :P) to remove the need to edit such locations? So wouldn’t a better bot job include just editing the acquisition section of a list of things to use that template then? And that we could easily prepare and run once (compile a list of all NPCs we want this to work with, then compile a list of all things those NPCs are used for, and then do the bot job to edit all those thing-articles at once). What do you think? poke | talk 07:45, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
- If the community is fine with me using AWB on edits that is fine without the nobot flag great. I honestly think that is the best route as then I could use AWB to find the pages that may need editing when I am updating a topic then make the changes manually using AWB skipping the pages that don't need changes. With any luck they will come up much and much less often with Living Story Season 2. As for a bot flagging/notflagging items as historical there are some edge cases to where that might be useful however I think what I will be doing is just loading the related pages to a release page using AWB and editing each page manually skipping the ones that are not needed speeding up my edits and making them less annoying as I don't have to click as much. To speed up historical flagging even more and make it more standardized I suggested changes to multiple infoboxes but I have yet to receive much feedback on that matter soon I will take the lack of word as approval and just make the changes. Regarding location moves yes that was the point of {{location result}} sadly it is not fully finished but I pushed it out due to the dungeon vendor changes with a note that it does not work with NPCs having multiple locations. The only reason why I did not ask to use that template in the bot request I made on GW2W:BOTS was due to I got some pushback on the template so I was just going to leave it up to whoever was doing the edit. I still think that using {{location result}} would be best. If we could get it working with NPC's on multiple locations that would be even better. I recently found this to solve that problem and plan on trying it out in my sandbox. Now if only it had a better name that I am at a loss on. I think that is why I got some pushback is the name confused people for what it was designed for. Anzenketh (talk) 08:43, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
- bots need to be setup carefully not to make mistakes. >.< -Chieftain Alex 23:30, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- Humans also need to be careful when using tools and do proper reviews of changes they make. I am fine without a bot flag if I can use AWB as just that a tool. I don't see a need for me at the moment to make any rampant changes made automatically without human reviewing each edit. I will be more careful about my reviews in the future.Anzenketh (talk) 23:59, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- Heh, sure, that is fine with me. Back then, we usually required people to show off their botting skills without a bot flag anyway. So feel free to train a bit first ;)
- Btw. remember, we all make mistakes, and luckily, on a wiki, mistakes are usually found quickly so it’s not that big of an issue :) poke | talk 00:10, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
- Humans also need to be careful when using tools and do proper reviews of changes they make. I am fine without a bot flag if I can use AWB as just that a tool. I don't see a need for me at the moment to make any rampant changes made automatically without human reviewing each edit. I will be more careful about my reviews in the future.Anzenketh (talk) 23:59, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- bots need to be setup carefully not to make mistakes. >.< -Chieftain Alex
- If the community is fine with me using AWB on edits that is fine without the nobot flag great. I honestly think that is the best route as then I could use AWB to find the pages that may need editing when I am updating a topic then make the changes manually using AWB skipping the pages that don't need changes. With any luck they will come up much and much less often with Living Story Season 2. As for a bot flagging/notflagging items as historical there are some edge cases to where that might be useful however I think what I will be doing is just loading the related pages to a release page using AWB and editing each page manually skipping the ones that are not needed speeding up my edits and making them less annoying as I don't have to click as much. To speed up historical flagging even more and make it more standardized I suggested changes to multiple infoboxes but I have yet to receive much feedback on that matter soon I will take the lack of word as approval and just make the changes. Regarding location moves yes that was the point of {{location result}} sadly it is not fully finished but I pushed it out due to the dungeon vendor changes with a note that it does not work with NPCs having multiple locations. The only reason why I did not ask to use that template in the bot request I made on GW2W:BOTS was due to I got some pushback on the template so I was just going to leave it up to whoever was doing the edit. I still think that using {{location result}} would be best. If we could get it working with NPC's on multiple locations that would be even better. I recently found this to solve that problem and plan on trying it out in my sandbox. Now if only it had a better name that I am at a loss on. I think that is why I got some pushback is the name confused people for what it was designed for. Anzenketh (talk) 08:43, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
- Well, AWB edits are somewhat a gray area since its edits are somewhat always monitored. As for making items historical or applying {{temporary}} I would rather see the edits done without a bot. As for the NPC location, I’m not sure. Wasn’t the point of {{Location result}} (which isn’t really the best name btw :P) to remove the need to edit such locations? So wouldn’t a better bot job include just editing the acquisition section of a list of things to use that template then? And that we could easily prepare and run once (compile a list of all NPCs we want this to work with, then compile a list of all things those NPCs are used for, and then do the bot job to edit all those thing-articles at once). What do you think? poke | talk 07:45, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
- GW2W:BOTS currently has some requests I put in that if a bot ran it would go a lot easier then manual edits. I would really only use it for repetitive changes for example Multiple NPCs moving to the same location, Items/events/etc.. being removed from the game and flagging them as historical and/or adding a {{temporary}} header(see here for why I said and/or). Changes that actually include content that and are not repetitive I would use this account for. If you don't want location changes or flagging items as historical hidden from the recent changes list. That is fine. I could just run the bot on the account without the flag but I read that is discouraged. Unless I read things wrong. Anzenketh (talk) 07:27, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
WvW Weapons Specialist page protected
Thank you Poke! In 4 minutes, there were already 20 players in that fake location and players asking why wiki was wrong...--W.Wolf (talk) 19:18, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Tweet about Living world changes project.
I was wondering if a tweet about the Guild_Wars_2_Wiki:Projects/Living_World_changes project would be a good idea. Sortof as a encouragement and direction on what new editors could be doing to help out on the wiki. Anzenketh (talk) 22:20, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah sure, that’s a good idea! I’ll prepare something tomorrow. poke | talk 00:10, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
dusty linens
I would have found it surprising too, but actually the recipes to promote Seasoned Wood into Hard Wood and Iron Ore into Platinum Ore both use Radiant Dust - not Luminous Dust. Promoting Seasoned Planks into Hard Planks, and Gold Ingots into Platinum Ingots, uses Luminous Dust.
It's confusing, but I am pretty sure Linen follows the same pattern. Probably worth checking in-game, though. Vili 点 
23:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
- It does follow the same pattern. I verified in game that it is Radiant Dust. While am am here Poke is the "Patrol" group invite only or can I ask for it. I would like to patrol that page. Could it be that they did as part of the mystic forge changes to have the upgrade recipe be n-1? Anzenketh (talk) 00:52, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- "Patrol" usergroup is a sysop related thing, but it doesn't actually have any function on this wiki. Just use the watchlist. Vili 点 00:55, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, the game makes no sense. Thanks for correcting it; at least we now have some “proof” inside the edit summaries on it ^^
- Regarding the “patrol” group: we only have this, but I don’t think it does what you think it does. The only way to keep track of changes is to add the page to your watchlist and check the edits when they happen. poke | talk 01:51, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- The patrol group does exactly what I think it does. I would have to monitor edits via watchlist/recent edits like I already do. However the page is marked as patrolled so they know the item is verified to be correct. Anzenketh (talk) 04:00, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, but the "extended editors" page poke linked to explains that the patrol feature is not enabled on this wiki. I'm not quite sure why it's even mentioned on the page, to be honest. — snograt 10:56, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- It's enabled... just unused. Looking at the group lists, it seems only sysops/EE have access to the patrol feature, and pretty much nobody uses it in any meaningful manner. For wikis as small as this, we've just used watchlists to keep tabs on pages - patrol, in theory, offers a way for a user to "green-light" an edit by saying they've looked over it, but its functions are best utilized by multiple editors/patrollers. Since most users can't even see if an edit has been patrolled, it's not really worth worrying about. For a much larger wiki, or a wiki with more frequent edits, it makes sense, but for this one... it's unlikely a page will be edited in any meaningful way without you noticing, especially if you have it watchlisted. -Auron 11:10, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- Ah yes, I was misinterpreting "not utilized" into meaning something quite different. It was probably the z throwing me off. — snograt 11:38, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- Also, apart from it being completely unused and invisible to normal users, marking an edit as patrolled does not mean that the content is verified but that the edit was “not harmful” (e.g. not vandalism). What you are thinking of is more like FlaggedRevs which is for content-validation. We did discuss in the past whether or not we would want such a system, but given our relatively low activity, it would just add more work, taking away resources from users actually working on content. We always have been pretty fine with validating content just like that. Invalid content edits are usually seen by someone (this thread is a good example) and corrected rather quickly. poke | talk 13:57, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- Ah yes, I was misinterpreting "not utilized" into meaning something quite different. It was probably the z throwing me off. — snograt
- It's enabled... just unused. Looking at the group lists, it seems only sysops/EE have access to the patrol feature, and pretty much nobody uses it in any meaningful manner. For wikis as small as this, we've just used watchlists to keep tabs on pages - patrol, in theory, offers a way for a user to "green-light" an edit by saying they've looked over it, but its functions are best utilized by multiple editors/patrollers. Since most users can't even see if an edit has been patrolled, it's not really worth worrying about. For a much larger wiki, or a wiki with more frequent edits, it makes sense, but for this one... it's unlikely a page will be edited in any meaningful way without you noticing, especially if you have it watchlisted. -Auron 11:10, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, but the "extended editors" page poke linked to explains that the patrol feature is not enabled on this wiki. I'm not quite sure why it's even mentioned on the page, to be honest. — snograt
- The patrol group does exactly what I think it does. I would have to monitor edits via watchlist/recent edits like I already do. However the page is marked as patrolled so they know the item is verified to be correct. Anzenketh (talk) 04:00, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- "Patrol" usergroup is a sysop related thing, but it doesn't actually have any function on this wiki. Just use the watchlist. Vili 点
Daily pattern
I need some fresh eyes on this. I just don’t see a pattern for the second slot; and I don’t really believe that they made a 31-day cycle for that one. Do you have any ideas?
Orange days are not yet confirmed and may miss the information about the second slot. Blue cells show the obvious pattern from a single achievement (repeats every 4 days). Green shows a suspected pattern for a single slot. poke | talk 02:40, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
- Hey Poke, I looked at your file and I added a few more colours. Yellow just extends the pattern, and grey highlights the annoying outliers. The only data that I'm personally not happy with is the one highlighted in blue, and I'm wondering if it was misdocumented.
- All this said, it may be that Anet built a 31 day cycle, seeing as how the last month (May 31st) ended with only 1 grey column, and did not continue (on June 1st) with the 2nd grey column. This implies that the 1st of the month restarted a pattern instead of continuing one already in place. G R E E N E R 16:22, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
- Well yeah, all cycles reset on the 1st of every month; regardless of how far they are in the slot’s cycle, so that’s not really surprising. I’ll continue checking the achievements whether the second half of the month is correctly documented, but it should be right (I was very careful at the beginning); but we’ll see.
- Anyway, thanks for your input. It’s interesting to see those two-day patterns (the gray columns). I wonder if there is at least some pattern to those. poke | talk 16:58, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
flags
go on then, explain why the US template gets the linebreak and the UK one does not. I know you want to explain. -Chieftain Alex 23:07, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- Well, it’s wrong there too. You can see the problem easily using
*{{USA}}{{USA}}. poke | talk 23:12, 25 June 2014 (UTC)- only reason I changed the Uk one was that I assumed that the odd 3 of the 17 were incorrect. -Chieftain Alex 23:15, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- only reason I changed the Uk one was that I assumed that the odd 3 of the 17 were incorrect. -Chieftain Alex
Layout for "Objectives" section in living story pages
Hi, Poke. You reverted some of my changes in Fallen Hopes regarding the layout changes I made in the Objectives section. My goal was to bring it in line with the Objectives section of the personal story pages, because in both cases the representation in game is the same. And as far as I see it, that way is the closest reproduction of the in-game representation (which is the current layout not). Any particular reasons, why you undo that changes to the Objectives section? Balwin (talk) 09:40, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- As for the “Fallen Hopes (80)” line, that’s completely redundant with the page title, and the information in the infobox. The story chapter’s name is “Fallen Hopes” and it’s for level 80. There is no reason to duplicate that, especially when there won’t be a case where the event title will be different from the story chapter name.
- For the “subevents” (for lack of a better word), this is how it makes most sense to me. That title groups the following event steps, so it is more or less a heading for what’s following. Using italized text does not really convey that idea in my opinion. poke | talk 13:34, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- (Edit conflict) As an outside observer, and one who doesn't edit PS or LW pages much at all, it seems completely redundant to repeat the story's title in that section - that's the title of the entire article, and the level is given in the infobox. So for that point, I agree with Poke's removal. You're right that nearly all other PS/LW pages do it that way, but I disagree with it.
- I don't really have an opinion on the list-separator headings. Definition-list formatting is the natural method for doing that on the wiki, but since the sub-points are all formatted in bullet-lists anyway, it's not necessary. On the other hand, strictly following in-game formatting isn't something we've historically worried about all that much, as long as the information is presented in a reasonably similar fashion. Either way works. —Dr Ishmael 13:37, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Well, I didn't invent this kind of layout. It was set with the first pages for the personal story. But for me it totally makes sense, because it is the same layout like in the game. And if you look around most pages for the personal story (and also living world story) are more or less formated in this way. Saying that, it doesn't mean, we can't change it to a more sensible layout (even so I think it is reasonable the way it is) and you have valid points that these information are already given. But I personally would like to have one overall layout for all story pages and if we change it, it should be changed on all pages. So it might be a good idea to see if there are editor from the story pages who care about the layout and have some kind of "final" decision. Because until then I favor my personal opinion ;) but I don't want to start a revert war. Balwin (talk) 18:29, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- No one has to edit story articles to have a valid opinion on the layout and favoring your personal opinion doesn't justify your position. We don't include the title and level in the objectives section for events, and they are formatted the same way in the UI. I don't see a problem with changing the layout, and no, it doesn't have to all be done at once. We can create the formatting guideline to avoid confusion as we lack one, but there won't be issues to make this change.--Relyk ~ talk < 19:29, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Oh, I didn't wanted to imply that I don't value these opinions or something like that. I just wanted to point out that as long as there is no rule against it, my opinion is as good as anyones and then I can edit in a way I think is right. So I wanted at least to know if I'm in the minority or majority here or if I just nitpick on a very minor detail, which no one cares about :) I also wanted to express that I think the way the objectives are lay out in most story pages ia a good way to do it, but now I see there are strong opinions against that and I have no problem to do it in another way. Balwin (talk) 16:48, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- No one has to edit story articles to have a valid opinion on the layout and favoring your personal opinion doesn't justify your position. We don't include the title and level in the objectives section for events, and they are formatted the same way in the UI. I don't see a problem with changing the layout, and no, it doesn't have to all be done at once. We can create the formatting guideline to avoid confusion as we lack one, but there won't be issues to make this change.--Relyk ~ talk < 19:29, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Well, I didn't invent this kind of layout. It was set with the first pages for the personal story. But for me it totally makes sense, because it is the same layout like in the game. And if you look around most pages for the personal story (and also living world story) are more or less formated in this way. Saying that, it doesn't mean, we can't change it to a more sensible layout (even so I think it is reasonable the way it is) and you have valid points that these information are already given. But I personally would like to have one overall layout for all story pages and if we change it, it should be changed on all pages. So it might be a good idea to see if there are editor from the story pages who care about the layout and have some kind of "final" decision. Because until then I favor my personal opinion ;) but I don't want to start a revert war. Balwin (talk) 18:29, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
gamescom 2014
Is anyone else from the wiki coming to gamescom next week? If so, when will you be there, and are you there on Thursday evening? poke | talk 13:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
"don't trust me"
It's not that we don't trust you, but the average reader isn't going to check the page history to see who added the information. They're going to want a link they can click that directly confirms it (if they care about confirmation at all, of course). —Dr Ishmael 13:03, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know, it was mostly a joke. It’s just sad that we value the credibility of other fansites higher than our own. poke | talk 20:08, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Assistance
Hello Poke, could you assist me with making the footer resize code on http://wiki-en.stage.guildwars2.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector.js fire properly on window resize? hookEvent apparently doesn't work with the new mediawiki (removed from wikibits.js), and bluntly I haven't a clue as usual :D (whichever change you make will need to be mirrored on the common.js + monobook.js, but provided you can do it once for me, I'll do the others + make a copy somewhere for later reference. -Chieftain Alex 17:10, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
- Guess you figured it out already. I don’t get why stage is still/again publicly accessible though… poke | talk 14:33, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- I figured out quite a lot, but I'll be intrigued to see how I was supposed to implement working collapsible tables with importscript without the jquery bit on the end though. (objective is to make the tables on Iron Greatsword (loot) work.) -Chieftain Alex 14:44, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- I’m working on common.js atm; you were supposed to create a new
CollapsibleTablesobject, not call the function. poke | talk 14:47, 7 September 2014 (UTC)- Hmm the block wrapped in the hookEvent bit. -Chieftain Alex 14:50, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'm getting a javascript error now "ReferenceError: CollapsibleTables is not defined". -Chieftain Alex 15:06, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- Fixed that now. poke | talk 16:03, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- Sigh this is proving more awkward than initially thought. Conflicts with the recent changes expandables when you use enhanced recent changes: http://imgur.com/BDk3UFm. Perhaps
wgNamespaceNumber != -1needs to end the script when in the special namespace? -Chieftain Alex 16:11, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- Oh. That was actually just because of a too loose regex… Fixed that. poke | talk 17:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you. -Chieftain Alex 18:08, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you. -Chieftain Alex
- Oh. That was actually just because of a too loose regex… Fixed that. poke | talk 17:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- Sigh this is proving more awkward than initially thought. Conflicts with the recent changes expandables when you use enhanced recent changes: http://imgur.com/BDk3UFm. Perhaps
- Fixed that now. poke | talk 16:03, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hmm the block wrapped in the hookEvent bit. -Chieftain Alex
- I’m working on common.js atm; you were supposed to create a new
- I figured out quite a lot, but I'll be intrigued to see how I was supposed to implement working collapsible tables with importscript without the jquery bit on the end though. (objective is to make the tables on Iron Greatsword (loot) work.) -Chieftain Alex
TP data widget
Is the TP data widget resource intensive on the server? It is my understanding that it is completely javascript driven so the answer would be no. Reason why I was asking is it might be useful to add it to some of the recipe pages and perhaps variant/crafting tables. Anzenketh (talk) 06:53, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- There are two answers to that question: Every page that uses the widget will end up sending an API request with every view; so that part is quite resource-intensive for the API server. I asked about this before though, and we are allowed to do so unless it becomes a problem in the future.
- On the other hand, the way the widget works, it only ever sends a single request regardless of how many prices you are looking up. So if you look up a single price or 20 does not make a huge difference (of course it does, as more data is being transferred, but it’s only a single request that’s being made, so it’s relatively cheap).
- So yeah, adding it to recipes might make sense. My sandbox also shows how multiple prices can be displayed at once, so we could even make some “current prices for X” lists. poke | talk 11:52, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- So I started to make the changes then I ran into a problem.... I don't know enough about wiki code to make the necessary changes to {{Recipe}} I was thinking a mouseover would work nicely in this case. I did get it working for the Varient Table should I put that code out on the public template or do you think I should make changes to it. Anzenketh (talk) 15:13, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
(recent indent) Now it is not working it looks like. Anzenketh (talk) 19:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
+1
Great job for bringing in new editors for the wiki. I've never spent this much time on Recent Changes up until now; the llama may have attracted some temporary users, but I'm positive we'll retain some fresh, optimistic editors looking to help with the wiki. Good job, Poke! --Ventriloquist 12:10, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks! I also hope we get some new permanent users out of the contest. But I’m very curious anyway how the participation continues over the next two weeks :) Exciting! poke | talk 12:43, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
My promised 2ct
Sorry I couldn't help out in the end - I couldn't get onto IRC and wasn't really able to make a judgement from the contrib lists (I'm not familiar enough with the variety of items etc. involved yet). Looking forward to seeing the results! - Y0_ich_halt 
15:54, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- It’s not over yet (I haven’t been to IRC yet either :P). But thanks for trying anyway :) poke | talk 15:56, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
September Feature Wikification Project
Thanks for making this happen (especially the rewards). It's great to see so many new editors contributing "high value" changes to the wiki and especially since some of them are branching out into areas not directly connected to the F2014 FP. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:39, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
- It was a pleasure! I’m extremely happy that everything ended up this way and we got this much attention. I hope we can repeat it again in the future :) poke | talk 23:07, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
The hero the wiki needs right now
Can you make wikichu run through and permaban all user accounts that have been banned at least twice by abusefilter? I try to catch them when I see them (and extend any accounts with multiple abusefilter hits) but I'm sure there are hundreds/thousands before that occasionally come back up and edit again. Since abusefilter is limited in its ability to punish repeat spambots, we need a helping hand to fix that leak. -Auron 01:32, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
tp prices for crafted equipment
Hey Poke - due to the way we are documenting crafted equipment, like the various Bandit Shiv, there's no actual item page for things like "Hearty Bandit Shiv" to integrate your handy trading post template. Would it be possible to add that into Template:Craft table or Template:Craft table row somehow? (Maybe add a parameter on tp to search by item id rather than item name?) Vili 点 14:32, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
- Sure, that’s absolutely possible. The id is actually what is used on the inside. How do you propose adding the trading post price in that table? Add another column? Or below the links? Below the value? poke | talk 15:42, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Obvious phishing attempt
I recently received a laughable phishing attempt using your name and claiming to have been sent using the GW2 wiki email function. It says [REDACTED]. All they need is my mailing address. I'm sure they do! Everybody knows that wiki denizens Do It For Free™. The reason I'm telling you is so you can burn your house down and move to the pacific northwest to become a lumberjack, because your identity has clearly been compromised. Psycho Robot (talk) 17:18, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
- No, that’s a real thing, a real email written by me… :P poke | talk 17:21, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
- It's much worse than I thought. Poke's wiki account has been taken over too... Help, help! I need an adult! Psycho Robot (talk) 17:22, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
- lol… xD poke | talk 17:22, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
- Psycho, the scariest thing is that I'm possibly the most adult person around these parts... — snograt 17:39, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
- I believe the term is "adultest". --Ventriloquist 17:43, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
- Psycho, the scariest thing is that I'm possibly the most adult person around these parts... — snograt
- lol… xD poke | talk 17:22, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
- It's much worse than I thought. Poke's wiki account has been taken over too... Help, help! I need an adult! Psycho Robot (talk) 17:22, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
- This confirms the admins are abusing their power and suppressing our rights. Let's overthrow them.--Relyk ~ talk < 21:00, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
(Reset indent) Risk paid off. Thanks! I didn't actually recognise any of the names on the card (47x cryptic signatures) before looking at game credits (some of the names on the card aren't actualy on the credits..), but it must be quite some effort given the sheer number of cards that they send out. -Chieftain Alex 17:29, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
- Glad to see they start arriving, and you’re welcome :) poke | talk 17:30, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
blocked for no reason
my two accounts have been blocked I believe I have been hacked I have changed my email password as well as my two account passwords but I can not get any answers as to why my account is blocked or for how long. there must be an easier way to get answers than summiting a ticket, cuz all that says is change your password. please help thank you
- Hey, you’re talking to a player who happens to be an administrator of this player-run wiki. I don’t really have any way to help you there except to tell you that you should contact support and wait for them to reply. poke | talk 23:52, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Simple TP summary
I think any arithmetic with the TP prices would be beyond the functions of the wiki, but a sum function would probably be useful. At least, for functionality on {{Base ingredients}} and armor/weapon set costs. It would probably be {{tp summary|<id>, <id>,...}}.--Relyk ~ talk < 16:13, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- You're forgetting quantities. —Dr Ishmael 16:18, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Any suggestions on full usage? poke | talk 02:02, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- get the sum of all the elements on the page with a which are spans with class gw2-tpprice. Then insert that content into another span, if it exists, perhaps called "gw2-tpprice-sum" with the same magic formatting you do at the moment. That way we can just display the result beneath the query. That'd be my vision at least.. -Chieftain Alex 20:49, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
- get the sum of all the elements on the page with a which are spans with class gw2-tpprice. Then insert that content into another span, if it exists, perhaps called "gw2-tpprice-sum" with the same magic formatting you do at the moment. That way we can just display the result beneath the query. That'd be my vision at least.. -Chieftain Alex
- Any suggestions on full usage? poke | talk 02:02, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
Prettyprint
Thanks for cleaning up my pseudo-code. I wasn't even aware that was available. +1! Justin ODell (talk) 21:59, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
- It wasn’t! So I made it available ;D poke | talk 22:09, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
- alright, I'll bite, did we choose not to install mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight GeSHi even though by default it comes bundles with MW1.21? -Chieftain Alex 08:10, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- Because this was a lot easier and faster than having to involve ANet at the weekend? Also, I don’t really like GeSHi’s code output. poke | talk 11:45, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- I really meant when you did the MW upgrade anyway. Lol working on weekends. -Chieftain Alex 18:51, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- I really meant when you did the MW upgrade anyway. Lol working on weekends. -Chieftain Alex
- Because this was a lot easier and faster than having to involve ANet at the weekend? Also, I don’t really like GeSHi’s code output. poke | talk 11:45, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- alright, I'll bite, did we choose not to install mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight GeSHi even though by default it comes bundles with MW1.21? -Chieftain Alex
Format for patch trivia
Which format do you think we should be using for content added as part of Wintersday 2014?
1.
== Trivia == * This item/object/NPC/activity/etc was introduced with the [[Wintersday 2014]] festival release.
2.
== Trivia == * This item/object/NPC/activity/etc was added to the game with the [[Game updates/2014-12-16|December 16<small>th</small>, 2014]] update, as part of the [[Wintersday 2014|A Very Merry Wintersday]] [[release]].
I'm starting to think that format #2 would be more appropriate for unique releases like Tangled Paths, Seeds of Truth, and etc while #1 would be better for reoccurring releases like Halloween/Wintersday. What are your thoughts? :o -Somohexual (talk) 21:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
- I usually prefer the first, while referring to a specific update/release (i.e. I also prefer Wintersday 2014 over A Very Merry Wintersday since the latter is the unspecific festival while the former is the specific release in December 2014. But I’ll probably start something about this on the community portal at some later point anyway). Specifying the exact update is kind of a PITA, and the actual update is also not that relevant as items and things are mostly released with releases and not specific updates (apart from gem store stuff maybe). So to make it easier, I have been using the first option just to make it more concise.
- I am also not really a fan of using “December 16th, 2014”, or “December 16th, 2014”. We don’t really format the ordinals, and looking at Wikipedia now (to see what’s the actually “correct” way), it seems that in modern English, you completely leave off the ordinals when the day follows the month. So just “December 16, 2014”. Yay, date formatting… poke | talk 11:41, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
"dump apostrophes"
Huh, I've never heard them called that before. (Oh! was that a typo of "dumb"?) Anyway, I have noticed that you always use "smart"-style quotes, which seems very strange because the only applications I know of that do that by default is the MS Office suite. How do you enforce that for HTML form input, and is there any reason why you do that? —Dr Ishmael 16:49, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
- Oops, yes, that was a typo of “dumb”… As for myself, I prefer using the (typographically) correct ones in almost every possible situation—and hence force myself to do that whereever possible. I have a custom keyboard layout so I can type them directly and by now its use is very natural for me (I don’t need to think about using them anymore, I just write them). But of course I can’t possibly expect anyone else to use them consistently, so I still use the dumb ones on articles for consistency reasons. poke | talk 17:10, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Chest of Exotic Equipment sort order
Yep, that was sorted by armor weight, but alphabetic's better I suppose :P --Ventriloquist 09:07, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
- But why the mesmer < elementalist < necromancer sub-order? ^^ poke | talk 12:18, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
- It was sorted both by weight and by word size. It's easier for readers to scan a "list" if it starts from smaller>larger words, but alphabetical works just fine as well. --Ventriloquist 16:16, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
