Talk:Hall of Monuments/Archive 1

Information (!)

Some information about multiple OGW accounts to one GW2 account from Gaile's talk page on gww:

"The answer to the primary question, courtesy of James, is that the connection between Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2 accounts is actually character-to-character and not account-to-account. This means a person with multiple GW accounts will be able to link the characters from both accounts to characters on one GW2 account. In fact, that is one of the reasons that the Hall of Monuments is character-based."

Added in this edit. --Aspectacle 04:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Sigh..I only have one stellar HoM, and about two O.K. ones. Calor (t) 19:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

No EotN here yet. The above provides only one bit of information, but leaves many other questions open. Character to Character strongly implies a "one to one" relationship to me. But it could just as easily be "one to many" or "many to one" couldn't it? --Aspectacle 21:43, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe Gaile said it was a many to one system. Lord Belar 22:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

You've got to give me a reference before I believe you. :P --Aspectacle 22:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll get around to it. Lord Belar 22:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Nvm, it's one to one, but with no set linking, so you can chose which characters to link to which. Or at least that's what I'm inferring from "This means a person with multiple GW accounts will be able to link the characters from both accounts to characters on one GW2 account." Lord Belar 22:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd asume it ment each character name you have "reserved" gains a link to the character its being reserved from. So Bob of GW2 would gain benefit's from Bobs Hall from GW1. That part about not being account based just means if you have Bob on one account and Jorge on a seperate account in GW1, both names can be added to your GW2 account. ImperialPriest 05:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Calor, don't feel bad, I have one mediocre HoM and a number of bad ones... -- Armond Warblade 08:14, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

ya my HoM its good lol i dont know how to get weapons in it....like what weapons are they the end game ones? but anyways thats going to be sweet to get special things--FrekyElf

Unfortunately, only destroyer weapons. But hey...you're right...it is awesome and generous for GW1 to have an effect on GW2 rather than completely wiping it out (besides it still being supported when GW2 is released).Shewmake 02:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

So does this mean that once you use a GW1 character's HoM to buff a GW2 character, you can't use that HoM again? Or can you reuse it if, like me and some of the other people on this page, you really only have the one decent HoM? --MarinBloodbane 11:41, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Heya Marin, there really isn't any firm information available on this at the moment. I'm in a similar situation - one okay-ish HoM and several which'll probably do nothing more than reserve a name for me. So I only expect one gw2 character to get anything worth mentioning out of the HoM. --Aspectacle 21:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Regina said on her talk page on GWW that there will be a Dev update on the HoM out next week (week of June 16). Fingers crossed for some interesting information from that. --Aspectacle 00:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

A little bit more;

The specifics have not been determined yet. Hall of Monuments achievements can be updated in GW2, so you don't have to worry about not being able to finish in time for GW2 release. --Regina Buenaobra 18:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

In this edit on her talk page. I won't add it in because I hope we'll get more information later this week about HoM. --Aspectacle 23:25, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

About Minipets addet to HoM in GW1 vs. GW2

→ moved from Minipets

I heard many speculations about, what gonna happen to all the minipets we r adding in our HoM's in GW2 ..and many questions about what importens they r going to have in GW2

My question r ...if we add a pet in GW1 and want it to have any importens in GW2 ...do we need to keep it or can we(as most ppl) just sell them after they r addet to HoM?? Or if we sell it, is that gonna change anything about it in GW2?

PS. Im not sure if im doing this rigth, or writing this in the rigth context - If not, feel free to move it to the rigth place! Looses 11:27, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to sell them, although, their values will drop significantly after "dedicating" them to the HoM. Once you add a certain minipet to the HoM, no one else can add that same minipet, but nothing will happen to the dedicated minipet if you do sell it.

You diddent get my point - I wanted to clerify the means in GW2, if i sell my pets here, in GW1! ..Does i have any conseqences ...my speculations is about the new team-companions in GW2(mentioned many times).

If our Pet where ment to be our new team-m8-pet's in GW2, dont u think we r loosing this new companions in GW2, if we sell them now in GW1??!

"nothing will happen to the dedicated minipet if you do sell it." Once you add a minipet...it's there no matter what...so the effect in Guild Wars 2 will be there no matter what.Shew 15:39, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

CANT TRADE ITEMS!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?

This sucks i wish we could trade the weapons or minipets (that we earn with our own time). I worked hard to get that stuff and now we can't trade them. It feels like they wont have no money value and are just there for show. I dont even see the point in HOM any more if your items wont be worth anything to anyone eles. What makes items "cool" is when there worth a lot of money not something that only you can have. I rather have something worth a bunch of in-game gold then something worth nothing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wiiman00 (talk • contribs) at 00:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC).

1. You don't need to post the same comment on both wikis. 2. You're not forced to put your items in the HoM - if you don't think there's any value in it, i.e. you're not particularly bothered about there being a bonus in Guild Wars 2 and you'd prefer the money, don't put anything in there. It's that simple, to be honest. -- Pling \ talk 00:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

"What makes items "cool" is when there worth a lot of money" lol if that's what you think about GW you should stop playing --Majere II 08:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Wiiman, you probably wanted to sell a Fungal Wallow for 300gw2ecto. Am I right? Markus Clouser 04:37, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Wiiman, you're the kind of person I hate to see in MMOs.

"It feels like they wont have no money value and are just there for show."-That's exactly why the items are there. And by the way, if it's something that only you can have it's priceless, moron. I'd much rather have something cool only I can have than something worth a lot of money. MadSkillz1o1 08:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Filling the Hall

Does anyone remember hearing if we receive a benefit/achievement for filling all 5 monuments in the hall? I'm wondering if there's any point in buying a whole bunch of ugly weps.Vidal 08:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

No, and I've never heard a definition of a "full" hall either. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.149.1.199 (talk).

It's having every display...full. In other words, you have the maximum number of items being displayed. Anything that gets rotated out of sight is considered extra.Vidal 14:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but I meant an official definition.

Ah, yeah. I'm not exactly official am I? You know when the mural behind the "Honor" display bumps up one rank for having all the displays full? I was thinking that would mean full. For example, if you are only rank 1 in KoaBD, and filling your hall makes it display as rank 2. That kind of full. Anyways...Vidal 04:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that. You should already get a benefit from the KoaBD title itself. Filling other monuments with minipets or heroes shouldn't change anything.

Banned acounts

will you be able to link your banned acount to your new gw2 acount? 85.223.3.154 16:58, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

No, see here --hnzdvn 17:10, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Updating HOM after linking it?

Anyone know if that is possible? It reads as if the original HOM is closed (or at least irrelevant for GW2) once you "import" your achievements.--Cyberman 04:00, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

ArenaNet has been fairly quiet on this front, I have no clue, I don't think anyone else does either. Expect something more in depth as the release approaches.--Corsair@Yarrr 04:01, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Uh... ArenaNet has been fairly OPEN on this front. You will be able to upgrade the HoM no matter what. They said don't want to punish people, and that they want to encourage people to return to GW1... -- Konig/talk 05:19, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I meant the HoM in general. We haven't received any solid information on this in a LONG time. As for the not punishing people, I could have sworn that was a reference to the HoM not giving any gameplay benefits, or at least none major.--Corsair@Yarrr 05:24, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

First one, then the other. And I think the only thing we haven't been told of the HoM through various interviews and posts in forums is what the rewards are, exactly how we're to link the games, and what exactly we'll need to put in the GW1 HoM. We know how to get there (via doubeclicking an item that we can spawn infinitely via a command similar to /bonus in GW1), we know that it'll be account to account, we know a generic attribute to the rewards (no gameplay advantages), we know that the HoM will be open to upgrade after GW2's release and we know that we'll be able to upgrade it after linking, etc. -- Konig/talk 05:46, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

So let me see if I got this right...I link my GW1 account to my GW2 account, and all my current achievments link to GW2 account. Then I return to my GW1 account and add a new title/weapon/mini. Does that give me a new reward in my linked GW2 account HoM? I guess i'm trying to ask is do we keep getting rewards in GW2 as we add stuff in GW1 after they are linked? (Usaf1a8xx 22:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC))

Yes, as long as your GW1 account is older than your GW2 account or was bought prior to GW2's release (don't know which one). So, as long as that's true, you can log into GW1 and upgrade your HoM at any time, and your GW2's HoM will also upgrade. --217.129.133.230 12:10, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, good. I was thinking about panicing for a little while there. There are some really cool HoM rewards that I'd like to have a chance at getting, but I don't log on as often as I'd like. Zolann The Irreverent 18:36, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

We're all humans; how is my descendant gonna be a charr/norn/asura/sylvari?

Is this like adoption or something? otherwise I'm sure lots of guys would love to screw around with Jora and end up with a norn descendant, not so sure about oola for asurans (Don't you think gray wrinkly savants with hair that would rock for headbangs?) and then charrs.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.65.92.201 (talk • contribs).

I believe it's been said that non-humans won't be actual descendants, but instead simply stumble upon the HoM (which, at GW2 time has been lost for quite a while). --Naoroji 18:23, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

That's an interesting thought... I'm excited to see how they tackle this. MadSkillz1o1 14:39, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Indeed it is A F K When Needed 17:19, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

1) Descendants of the Heroes (e.g., Pyre, Jora, Vekk); 2) Descendants of major figures (e.g., Olaf, other members of the Fierce warband, Oola); 3) Player-made descendants (done through adoption, teacher/student, etc.). 4) Spiritual descendant (no actual ties). 5) "Descendant" was just a word used by Anet to denote the time passage and that GW1 characters won't be around, thus there is no connection - blood or otherwise - and all heroes just "stumble" (although we have confirmation we take our items via a teleporting item that we create via a feature similar to /bonus in GW1) into the HoM and find an ancient heroes' stuff. All reasonable answers. Go go grave robbing! -- Konig/talk 17:40, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I really hope it's not a /bonus thingy cuz I have a lot of crap my my various HoM's and that would fill up my inv if I got something for each achievement all at once. I kinda hope it's more like a place where you find chests and the chests pop up a window with items you can transfer out, or display cases with a similar function. (Usaf1a8xx 22:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC))

I'm not human in GW1 D: (i just look like 1) ¬_¬ --The Holy Dragons 18:49, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Weapons

Spears and sythes won't be in GW2 - what happens to the ones we store in the hall? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:138.251.236.141 (talk).

Anet have already stated that you won't get exactly what's in the hall, we don't currently know what rewards the HoM will give us in GW2 RandomTime 11:38, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Please don't start a discussion in multiple places, especially not here, because many people might not know what you're talking about. I have already responded where you originally commented. Eive 11:47, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Spears become maces and scythes become great swords. Duh. -- Konig/talk 23:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Finally, some information.

I was glad to learn some details about how this is going to work. Hopefully, when the "full HoM guide" comes we will be able to get some concrete info about how many points specific achievements are worth, etc. Of course, that might just put more pressure on to get more titles... D: Arshay Duskbrow 23:39, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

while simultaneously re-populating guild wars for a short while. (Xu Davella 12:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC))

except if you didn't origionally have GW1 before getting GW2 and link that GW1 account at GW2 account creation, then you can't retroactively get GW1 and get titles there and then get stuff in GW2. (Usaf1a8xx 15:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC))

Granted but someone like me who hasn't played for a while due to getting board will start playing again to try and stock up on titles etc before the GW2 release to have access to all the cool stuff. --RaGingIMP 16:29, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I wish ArenaNet would tell us with some antecedence when they will release this information, so we could prepare for the massive walls of whining that will erupt once players realize that killing the same monster over and over and over (and a bit more over) for months is not going to make them into gods at GW2, rather give some small reward. Erasculio 16:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Let's hope that their "very soon" this time isn't as "soon" as previous "very soon"s... -- Konig/talk 18:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

No kidding. In the meantime, I still have plenty to do. Only a few more armors to add in, then I should maybe take on skill hunter...probably tormented weapons after that, although I already have the full destroyer set... <farms away> Arshay Duskbrow 21:14, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

It's already been long enough. I hate how disgustingly vague they can be sometimes. "Very soon" - is now 2 weeks. It was capitalized too! You would've expected that to express how close it really is. --122.111.229.110 09:37, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

The capitalizing was done by Malchior, not ArenaNet. You cannot capitalize spoken words. -- Konig/talk 10:23, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and they're obviously gonna wait for PAX and Gamescom's excitement calm down a bit. Like they did with E3. -- Konig/talk 10:24, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Meaning of word 'soon' changes based on who is talking. For single person it is week or so, but for companies it may be even two months. AoshimaMichio 11:30, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

What is this discussion in reference to? I haven't seen anything talking about the HoM in GW2 in any detail. 71.219.112.135 18:28, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

This post on GW2G: [1] --Emelend 18:34, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, who knows how long "very soon" is? Right now it translates as "a month or so," but it could be longer. This is one thing I really want to know about, even more so than the next profession. I think I'm keeping the GW2 website looking popular with my multiple daily hits, lol. Silmalel 16:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

*sighs* Sometimes I wish I was more of a serious player. My HoM is so...bare. I've got maybe one thing for each monument. Zolann The Irreverent 18:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Aye, I know that feeling. Mine isn't much better. ShadowRunner 18:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I've been loading mine up with the stuff platinum can buy, just not many titles. I only have 5 maxed, and the grind of getting them was really boring. I mostly have armor, weps, minis, and heroes. I might actually get Obsidian armor in about 5 years of farming ectos and oby shards, lol. Silmalel 14:16, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

HoM Flooded?

From the Map of Tyria, we're able to pin-point the location of HoM - it couldn't have 'shifted' in GW2 - could it? If it's still in the same location as GW1, I'm wondering if it has been flooded @ Frostgorge Sound. HoM is basically on the edge of the map.. --122.111.228.80 09:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

The map from the Ghosts of Ascalon novel seems to be slightly different proportion than GW1's map - the delta is off, mainly. We also know that Anet "just had to" add in a location for the kodan iceberg thus implying a retcon. I think the retcon would be extending the height of the map a bit in order to add in the Frostgorge Sound, the most likely place for the iceberg city. This would mean that the area the norn came from, and in turn the Eye of the North and HoM, were pushed north. -- Konig/talk 21:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Could the frostgorge sound be frozen? And the HoM sits on top or half way?-- Magican talk 09:41, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Isn't HoM and Eye of The North sat on or in a frozen lake anyways ?? Bob soddoth 10:48, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Well to be more precise .. it sits on a peninsula sticking into a frozen lake Bob soddoth 11:23, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

While it could be that Frostgorge Sound is the lake next to the Eye of the North and it was merely extended, I find this unlikely because Boreal Station is further up than Frostgorge Sound's southernmost point. -- Konig/talk 17:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

HoM Rewards

The new reward system lists a bunch of items, but no stats or anything. Worth creating articles on the weapons? ShadowRunner 15:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I would say so. They are rather notable items confirmed to be in the game. We can add more information as it arrives. --Emelend 15:45, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

By account, not by character

The current calculator suggests that the tallying is done over the entire account, not just one character on the account. I have at most 4 armor sets claimed on any single character, but I have credit for 7. Is this an error on the calculator's part, or am I misinterpreting what a 'character' represents? SarielV 17:31, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

It's adding up all your unique sets of armor across all characters. I love that they did this. I was so afraid that Defender of Ascalon and Survivor would go to waste on my alts. --Emelend 17:43, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, just found official confirmation in the article http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/hall-of-monuments/ . SarielV 17:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

That they did this makes me happy, but my 9/50 makes me Q.Q Zolann The Irreverent 17:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I've heard them say multiple times that it's by character rather than by account, but when I put in different characters into the calculator it gives the same amount every time, which indicates that it's by account. Which one is it? --208.179.66.2 11:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

It's by account, they've said they where doing it that way a couple of times.--Elemental Phantom 12:25, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

So

Does this mean I've got to pick items for my points or is everything below my points up for free? -Cursed Angel 20:02, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Was kinda confused by this aswell. They say you trade points for an item. Then they say you can create that item as many times as you want on any character. Im thinking this is an unlock system for /bonus. Once unlocked you can "/bonus" that item on your account. So im thinking this unlocking thing is a scenario of choose carefully or that fellblade you unlocked wont have much use if your not fond of professions with access to greatswords. "Safest" things would be the Heritage Set, the Gauntlets (if applicable to light/medium/heavy) and things like minipets. Justice 20:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I believe you unlock everything you have the rank for. ShadowRunner 20:55, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah actually in the fact thats how i read it too, well at least for titles. Where am I reading this "using points for purchase"? Justice 21:03, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

From reading all the available material, including the dev posts on GW2G, it seems that there is an NPC in the Guild Wars 2 Hall of Monuments who will freely create any item you have unlocked as many times as you like. Items are unlocked if you have the appropriate number of points. This goes for all characters on your account. --76.179.158.4 21:05, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Who added this?

"There are 50 rewards to earn: the first 30 rewards consist of items and objects and the remaining 20 rewards will be released with the game. One can use the Hall of Monuments calculator to determine what rewards are available."

This seems to be incorrect, as the calculator says "All reward items unlocked" when 30 is reached. -- Frozzen 22:25, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

"Now you can use the Hall of Monuments Reward Calculator to understand how the benefits are calculated, determine what rewards you've unlocked, and discover what other items will be available when Guild Wars 2 launches. "

Good enough?--Sierra84.196.119.34 22:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I think it means "All currently revealed items unlocked". --ஸ Kyoshi 22:38, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

This was taken from a friend of mine currently at 41

Reading this, I assume that there are no further item rewards after 30, but only titles. Venom20 22:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Relevant to this discussion are the following dev posts on GW2G: [2] and [3] :) --Emelend 16:34, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Gallery

All of the images in that gallery have icky "x" symbols in the upper right. The ones that I've uploaded are jpegs, but they don't seem to be very lossy. Mine are currently at the more direct file names ((e.g. File:Wayward Wand.jpg).

So how are we doing this? --ஸ Kyoshi 23:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, mine also don't have the text...I don't know where everyone will stand on this, so I'm going to let it sit for a while. --ஸ Kyoshi 23:45, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

New pet type?

Aparently raven is a type of pet now. 202.78.145.132 00:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad, I like my ranger's current raven Venom20 00:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I love my rangers raven its been a pet for as long as EoTN has been released. 99.117.99.120 04:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Point breakdown

Should we detail how all 50 points can be earned, or let people visit the site to find out? If we do break it down here, should it be on GWW1 too? Manifold 02:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I say just link on both wikis. -- Konig/talk 05:15, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Agree. --ஸ Kyoshi 05:33, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

points

So do you have to "buy" things with points or do u get everything up to your amount of points. Victor6267 02:24, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Anything and everything up to your points. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kyoshi (talk • contribs).

HoM Calculator Rewards Question

Now that this has been revealed, I read the FAQ and checked out the calculator. It looks like nothing transfers besides GW2 "Rewards" and the GWAMM title. So, spending time (and money) in-game right now to get high-end minipets, so I can transfer over to GW2, has been as waste of time?? That really sucks if it has. FloppyJoe 13:42, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

yea i know i got mini mallyx,livia,yakkington,black moa chick,kuunavang and more in my HoM (expensive for nothing D:) --The Holy Dragons 13:53, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

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I totally agree...my Warrior has 76 different mini's just on her...as you might have guessed many are quite rare/expensive. The fact that that Monument caps out at 50 is balls...I wasted TONS of money on those other 26 mini's. And don't get me started on all my tormented/destroyer weapons!!! (Usaf1a8xx 14:31, 9 October 2010 (UTC))

I think that they will change a bit the point distribution on the calculator when thay test the reactions. According to the calculator, you earn the same amount of points for your first green minipet (no more for each aditional green) than for your first golden minipet and for your first white one (or your first one overall). Maybe if minipets with higher rarity would count as more minis towards the 50 minis thing (even increasing the 50 minis requeriment to scale the fact that rarer pets could count as more) it would be more balanced IMHO.

It also makes the people with all the 3 weapon sets (wich I'm collecting and narly finishing anyway even if they doesn't count) receive the same rewards that people that just have 15 weapons (less than half the total), so maybe they should make this distribution change, like for example, having at least 5 weapons of each set (I'm not saying to make tormented weapons counting more, they are more expensive but I'm OK with all the sets counting the same, but at least make people collect half of each set to gain points, not just 1 weapon from each set) or a total of 33 (or 30 to round up) instead of just 15 for the maxed reward, etc.

Same goes with "regular elite" armors. I was trying to collect 100% armors in the game with 3 characters (assassin, warrior and mesmer), but now people with multiple sets will be rewarded the same than people with just 7 sets, they could increase this requeriment too. Right now, if you have Obsidian, Vabbian and Luxon/Kurcick + 4 armors, you will receive the same reward than someone with the 20 armours in the game, and being this a round number, I think they could increase the requeriments to: first armor 1 point, full display 1 point, 10 armor 1 point, 20 armor 2 points. Or something like that.

I think the ones that give the right rewards distribution are the fellowship one, because it makes you collect every hero armor and elite pet, wich is easy anyway, but it counts if you complete the monument 100% (wich is what make me think that the armor and weapn sets should require you to collect 100% of the items since they aren't a lot of items like with minipets or titles), and the Honor one, because more or less it makes you collect the GWAMM (or being really close to GWAMM) and also make either some of the hardest PVE areas or achieve some PVP titles to gain the statues to match 40 wich is fine I think.

But overal is really easy to take the max reward for some of the monuments and a lot of people will feel like some of the job they did won't make a difference, or that all the money they spent on green pets will count the same than someone who just bought white minis at minimum price. I think that how the rewards work is fine, a 50 points scale with different items and titles (maybe I would put more items on the blank spaces of the final run, but it's fine, you can't start the game with 12938712 armor and weapon sets), for me what is wrong is the way this 50 points are distributed with some of the categories (weapon sets, minipets and armor sets) because you could have a lot more than what is required and still don't be rewarded for the difference. They could distribute how this 3 monuments rewards you if you have more items, and even make the fellowship one count only as 4 points and armor and weapon count as 10 point each. Lokheit 14:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

It was foolish to think that anything would directly transfer to Guild Wars 2. They never stated that, or even hinted at it. I don't see why on earth they would do that, seriously. --76.179.158.4 16:07, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

They even explicitly said that the only "transfer" would be through new rewards; what use would your other titles and your spears and scythes (which don't even appear in GW2 weaponry) and hero armor have in GW2 anyway? If you thought otherwise it's your own damn fault for spending your money. --ஸ Kyoshi 18:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Still though the same # of points for having the right 7 dedicated armor vs 20 being the same is kinda lame. Like for Honor having 5 of the right statues will give you 9 points and having 40 only gives you another 7 points. Same with fellowship, 5 of the right hero/pets give you 5 points, and filling the rest of the 30 only gives you another 3 points. It's clearly skewed towards the casual players... which is to be expected of Anet tbh. Personally it should have skewed the other way, and the rewards items should have scaled to 50 points. But it's not and there are probably going to a lot of people buying new GW1 accounts to fill it up to 30 points in the cheapest/fastest way possible, and when GW2 comes out, they'll sell these old GW1 accounts to the new GW2 players who never touched GW1. --Lania 19:15, 09 October 2010 (UTC)

Also having a purple naga raincaller having the same worth in the HoM as a purple charr shaman is just...yeah. Or a mini Kanaxai vs a mini bone dragon. --Lania 19:19, 09 October 2010 (UTC)

I understand that purple minis count the same despite the "ingame price" aswell as the different weapon sets, because this is their type, you pay more for some of the "skins" (tormented weapons or promotional minis) because they are cooler or rarer or give more prestige to you, and you "show them to the public" with your GW1 account wich is why you pay more from the naga than for the shaman. Don't forget that before GW:EN minis also were expensive. But the thing is that purple, golden and green miniatures should count more than white miniatures toward the points because they are of a rarer type. Lokheit 20:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

What are we fighting over?.--Emmisary 20:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Gyz? It's on GW2G, below a post linked to a couple of subjects above this one: GWAMM carries over. It was a Dev post so...yeah. Zolann The Irreverent 20:54, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I won't complain about what is, but I will long for what is not. I do wish that I got a point or part of a point for every item I have dedicated in my Hall of Monuments. I have all prestige armor except for Obsidian, and I have 2 characters with Monument Armor. I have all Destroyer weps, and none of the others (though I have the medals of honor to get some Oppressor stuff). I was never big into titles because I think they're boring to get, but I have a few of them maxed. I have several heroes too. I wish I had more points coming to me than someone with a lot fewer prestige items (but in the correct combination). I wish each item that could possibly be dedicated had been assigned a point value, so if you have two characters with Monument Armor, or two characters with Obsidian Armor, or a full set of Destroyer weapons, it would all count for something. I'll take what I get and not complain because I have had fun will all my prestige stuff in the original game. That's what I got it for to begin with. Still, I do wish some more of my accomplishments actually counted for something. Silmalel 23:26, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I have 30 of the 50 points, by the way. Silmalel 23:28, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Me too. /highfive.--Emmisary 18:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

(reset) I just realized that they could satisfy people who completed the 3 sets or have the 20 armors by giving them acces, apart of the normal rewards, to special weapon sets only available if you completed each of the 3 sets (as some weapons are no longer here, and some are new, it would make more sense to agroup them in complete sets) and an awesome armor (heavy, medium and light) only available if you had the 20 armors. Just giving up ideas (I don't have the 20 armors, neither the 3 weapon sets, but I feel sorry for the people who put on their HoM every set in the game just to see that with 7 armors and 15 weapons it was enough) I'm still completing the sets even if they doesn't give you an extra reward. But it would be cool to unlock something by doing it. Lokheit 10:35, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Look...it's just not happening. I myself spent a fortune putting all 20 armors in Resilience, but I chose to do that without knowing how the rewards would be structured, and knowing that I didn't know. I don't regret my choice (even if I do wish that money could've gone toward something else). It is the way it is, just move on. Arshay Duskbrow 11:44, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Was just and idea of what could be cool and a good reward for people like you with the 20 armors without forcing everyone to complete every set, if the GWAMM title is conservative completly apart of the rest of the HoM rewards, there is no reason to not give a bonus to players with complete sets I think. And knowing that the calculator is in beta fase (you can see it at the website) maybe even the complete system changes for complete before GW2 is realeased. Anyway, I know it's just a wishlist o I'll stop saying this stuff ;) Lokheit 08:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Thematic conflict with some rewards and races

I found that some rewards, like the Dwayna's and Balthazar's armbraces, or the title "Champion of the Gods" are cool with humans, but I don't know how an atheist charr could be proud of being the champion of the gods he despises (even if it doesn't refer to human gods, the charr are ashamed of the time they had their false gods), or how a norn will wield symbols of Balthazar instead of their beloved spirits of the wild. Even the Zaishen Order now is more open than just the cult of Balthazar to allow different races to be part of it, so it would be weird to see human theme items on other races (even some weapons like Thackeray bow have more value for a human than for a charr). Lokheit 21:01, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I noticed this too. There's also the Mountaincall Warhorn, which "recalls the glory of Ascalon" - my charr won't be using that. -- Konig/talk 21:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

The items are meant to be cosmetic.. your charr can wear fiery gauntlets of balthazar because it looks cool, not because the lore determines you shouldn't be using it. if you want to not use items because it doesn't fit your character's lore, that's your choice. the idea is that there's pretty items to be had. It's a status thing, like buying choas gauntlets.. it says you were however good in the last game. That, and seeing that it's always based on a human anscestors acheivements, it seems it would make sense to have items based on the GW human history. Though, now that you bring it up, I do like the idea of having race items themed for other races, like norn raven totem gaunts, or maybe something for charr that relates to the titans and such.. though, then again, they do have a charr dagger (Centurion's claw). In the end, it's there for saying "look at my badass title", or "I have this awesome minipet because I did stuff in the last game"~ Reez

While charr in general don't worship the human gods, it doesn't mean individuals may not, or least acknowledge their existence, right? At least, I certainly hope the races will be much more diverse than in GW1 (where just about every norn and asura has an identical personality). The other races have fewer conflicts with the human gods than the charr, too. Aaaand, just maybe the human gods will "reach out" to the other races at some point in the story. Manifold 22:40, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

The charr actually all acknowledge the existence of the Six Gods (or a majority of the charr do). They just don't worship them and in fact view them as beings to kill. It is true that it makes sense that most of these things should be human based, and tbh I'm not complaining, though it does seem... silly. Heck, I'd be fine without anything out of the HoM (or even a lack of the HoM). Just give me more content! GW1 or GW2!!! -- Konig/talk 23:15, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

But the favor of the gods is the human racial signature around wich their racial skills are cimented, so I doubt the human gods favor other races. Anyway I can see the point of different races interacting with other cultures (or even the other cultures interacting with them, like Abaddon being after the searing, trickering the charr :P). Now that I think about it, there is a precedent: Kerrsh, who was fascinated by the human gods and considered them connected somehow with the eternal alchemy. So maybe one could state that a member of one race could bear symbols of other races to show their respect and interest on them, like a Char admiring the strenght of Balthazar, a being that despite he doesn't worship, he could admire as symbol of brave soldiers and use the gloves as a symbol of strenght. I'm starting to change my mind, but I'm still not 100% into the idea, say 45% into it, need more pondering :P. Lokheit 23:18, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) While the gods do seem to favor the humans, I doubt they'd be without aiding the other races even if the gods are not worshiped by the race. As for the respect quality - that is most definably possible, especially since now there is no open conflict between the races - even if there are some skirmishes and uneasiness. Especially considering that the Zaishen and Order of Whispers are both interracial groups - it at least shows that humanity can expand to allow the spread of influence between races. The Zaishen no longer just worship Balthazar, but also revere the Bear Spirit and honor the charr heroes, chaos aspect of the Eternal Alchemy, and the chivalry aspect of the Dream of Dreams. -- Konig/talk 23:24, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Wait, the Zaishen? When did we hear about them? I thought it was the Order of Whispers, Durmand Priory and the Vigil? Or have I missed something? Zolann The Irreverent 23:36, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

The Zaishen and Xunlai are NPC-only (again) interracial organizations during GW2. We learned of this from Ree via a GuildMag interview (first issue). There should be a reference link on both of their pages. -- Konig/talk 23:54, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Or maybe it's a sign your GW1 descendants got stomped by the ancestors of your GW2 charr and they just took your pretty loot and passed it down.209.33.92.115 00:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the IP above. The HoM rewards aren't given to the ancestors of our GW1 characters, or it wouldn't make sense to give those items to a sylvary. They are just a bunch of stuff left behind as part of our GW1 characters' legacy. If a charr eventually find the Balthazar gloves our human characters used, it would be a very typical charr thing to take it and use its power while laughing at the god it represents. Erasculio 00:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I believe this is a legitimate lore problem. That can be solved by the above two comments. However, like most things, it'll all depends on how much you want to wear something over something else. I know my charr will be using the Balthazar Armbraces, because flaming hands and forearms are awesome. And I also know some people won't use it due to the lore complication. Eive 08:54, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

The only lore that is written is the fact that players inherit these items from a human ancestor. The means in which they obtain these items is pretty much unwritten, meaning that it's up to the player to decide how they will (for lore purposes) obtain these items. The developers might open up the option to choose from a multiple choice question, or they'll leave it for you to fill in the gaps yourself. (Xu Davella 18:22, 10 October 2010 (UTC))

I agree with the above comments about the provenance being open to interpretation. Konig, you say your charr won't be using the Mountaincall Warhorn because it's of Ascalon origin, but wouldn't something like that belong especially in the hands of a charr? We already know that Ascalonian artifacts were coveted by the charr even in the days of GW1 (Golden Rin Relics and Diessa Chalices, anyone?) That would be even more true 250 years later, by which time they'd have become great heirloom trophies of the charr's legendary reconquest of their ancestral lands, etc. etc. Long edit short, just use your imagination and you can easily come up with a story to fit any situation. :) Arshay Duskbrow 12:09, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) "Konig, you say your charr won't be using the Mountaincall Warhorn because it's of Ascalon origin, but wouldn't something like that belong especially in the hands of a charr?" - depends on the charr's personality, I say. My charr won't want to remember the days of Ascalon and wouldn't have much interest in using weapons that have a great meaning to Ascalon, since he has a personal issue with certain Ascalonians. I am using my imagination for this. ^^ -- Konig/talk 21:45, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Question

If I had one GW account, would I be able to get the items from the HOM on two different GW2 accounts? Nathan ~ Natejh8 02:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I do believe (having done only a bit of the pre-reading) that no, one GW account to one GW2 account... Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 02:06, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

One-to-one, that's correct. --ஸ Kyoshi 02:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

To bad it isn't two-to-one (that is, 2 GW1 accounts to 1 GW2 account). -- Konig/talk 04:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Heritage armor

Okay, several things:

1. Should we have a Heritage armor page? The armor pieces are clearly a matching set. (Possibly split into three articles, but that can be done later if needed.)
2. The pictures show multiple races wearing the same armor pieces. Meaning that, unlike what some people have speculated, races will probably have access to all armors in their armor class, just like professions.
3. The armor sets (light, medium, and heavy) are based on this, this, and this (respectively). Should this be mentioned?
4. The light armor is based on mesmer armor from GW, just another hint that mesmers could be a returning profession.

–~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 04:34, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

1. I had the same question. My vote would be for yes. 2. I always believed this to be the case. 3. I think its worth mentioning. 4. Although I agree, that is speculation. It does bear a resemblance, but to say its based off of it is incorrect. Eive 04:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

So you agree at point 3. that light Heritage armour is based off of GW1 Mesmer armour, and then you go ahead and say at point 4. that it's not based on GW1 Mesmer armour? Hrm? :P --Naoroji 05:02, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Thought that #3 said that they bear a resemblance... I think one of the armors bears a resemblance to memser armor, but until someone from Anet says "This is exactly what we based it off of" then we shouldn't say that. (Didn't look at the pictures originally, assuming they were something else, but now that I have, my opinion from #4 doesn't change) Sorry had a long day and now I shouldn't be on the wiki due to exhaustion, but I am anyways. Eive 05:08, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Could have sworn I made the Heritage armor page. At the least it should link to the armor pieces and say that it's obtainable through the HoM system. --ஸ Kyoshi 05:21, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, they all look exactly like gender/race modified versions of those classic GW renders. If you have any doubts about the scholar armor, look at the masque icon and the masque held by the mesmer in the render. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 23:24, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

A litle curious here: is it possible that the heritage armor (and all the other hom items)will get max armor level (base stats)? (since there s that level scaling system, in a low level area your mighty sword wont be so powerful too... gives only a little advantage over starting gear) CaiusTheBig 16:50, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Two things. They stated that HoM rewards will have starter-stats, but they are currently exploring different possibilities to allow players to easily upgrade them (transmutation without the need for stones was mentioned). Secondly, gear doesn't scale with the sidekick system. --Emelend 16:53, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Item drops

I guess that I wouldn't be wrong in assuming that any item listed is unique and therefore will not be an item drop from monsters in GW2. I figure that we won't see Stygian Axes, the Fellblade or the age old classic FDS dropping in GW2. Not sure on the significance of this and theres always the chance of "lesser" versions dropping but I thought I might mention it.--Decoinferno 08:47, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

They've already confirmed (I think in the FAQ) that these items are exclusive to the HoM. However, it isn't unreasonable to assume that lesser or different versions (as you said) could drop from dungeons or bosses. So good idea, I hadn't thought of that yet. Eive 08:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure we'll see dungeons meant to fuel our nostalgia, so it's not impossible to see very similar items Reez 04:45, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

It's more likely, imo, that other nostalgia items will be found throughout the game. -- Konig/talk 02:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think we'll see the same skin dyed different colors or anything like that. --ஸ Kyoshi 16:13, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Viewing in GW2?

I searched around a bit and I can't find any information about viewing the HoM in GW2. Does anyone know anything about being able to view the hall in gw2? --Frostnova 19:57, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean. You'll be able to visit the HoM to talk with an NPC and get your items, so you'll be able to "view" it from there. If you mean directly viewing your achievements from GW1, I doubt it, but I don't think there's been any discussion on that, and I don't see what the point would be. --ஸ ķ̌yoshĺ 20:58, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

GW2 Account

I'm wondering if we'll have to have the SAME account/email as our username for GW2 that we had for GW1 (to gain the rewards).. Does anybody know? :D --122.111.226.139 13:07, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

We will most likely get the option to log into our GW1 account when registering our GW2 account to connect them and get our rewards, but Anet hasn't released any information about that. - Giant Nuker 15:39, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I'd assume so too. The only other option I can think of would be using the NCsoft Master Account, but that would be messy. --ஸ ķ̌ɎǾshĺ 19:05, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

New information was released this morning, and no, you don't have to have the same name. Probably not e-mail, the article wasn't clear on that, but definitely not the name. Kaon Frostblade 14:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Character name wasn't mentioned anywhere in the discussion, only account username (e.g. email address). >.>;; We already knew that a character of any name can get the items. --ஸ Kyoshi 17:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Same email from oh so many years ago would be shit. I prefer the "messy" Master Account, which isn't all that messy at all. - Infinite - talk 18:34, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Wheres the new info at? Victor6267 18:46, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

WWW.GuildWars2.COM --The Holy Dragons 19:49, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

@Infinite: I mean that it would require some other confirmation anyway if the master account were used and if the person had more than one eligible GW account registered on the master account. --ஸ Kyoshi 00:53, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

You can assign multiple GW1 accounts to a single Master Account? I wouldn't know, I buy more slots as I need them. - Infinite - talk 18:44, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, you can. I did, anyway. --ஸ Kyoshi 18:50, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

If that is the case, I wouldn't know how they'd use the Master Account in any other way than having to pick one of the multiple accounts to be linked to GW2. - Infinite - talk 12:39, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I think they would have an area to 'log in', by having an email, password, and character name to link your gw1 account to your gw2 account, during account creation or account options. --Elemental Phantom 15:07, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I really hope they do that IN-game, if at all. Otherwise this is bound to get mass-scammed and exploited. (Fake websites, fake programs, etc.) - Infinite - talk 17:00, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I thought that was the idea. --ஸ Kyoshi 18:19, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I think they will be linked through the NCsoft Master account. --MageMontu 20:58, 8 December 2010 (UTC)