Talk:Biography/Archive 1

This will be one extensive tree

[1], [2] - based on these, what's on the page, and previous knowledge, I think I can deduce a set stream of the biography. Of course, knowledge from the demo is incomplete (no racial sympathy options), so this is incomplete.
[Creation] Race -> Profession -> Appearance -> [Biography] Attribute (based on profession) -> Quality (based on profession and race? - elementalist and ranger seems the same in this, but there's a necromancer screenshot saying "charisma;" I dunno where else that would fit, sadly said screen shot (in second link) only shows the description; all three were humans) -> Birthright (race based - again, ele and ranger human seems the same, but charr would be the "They tell me the solder that sired me is a _." question) -> Regret (birthright based? - it seems silly that a non-human or a nobleman would regret not joining the circus, so if it is birthright based, it would also be race based) -> Faith/Culture (for humans it is the gods, no certainty for charr but this might be legions for them; would totem for norn)
I'm thinking that asuran college would be in the last question, though it may be part of the birthright (was put on par to the gentry, streets, noble question in the past). -- Konig/talk 20:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

After comparing multiple character creation videos, it would appear that the "regret" choices for humans are the same no matter the "birthright" choice chosen. >.> -- Konig/talk 22:17, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

The necromancer screen shot saying "charisma" was probably in German because i watched a necromancer and warrior demo in german and they both said charisma for charm.--BookofTyria 19:33, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Circus?

After such tragic, sombre regrets such as never having known my real parents or never finding my sister's corpse, the choice "I passed up the opportunity to perform in the circus" sounds pretty ridiculous and petty to me. ~ Bow | 23:23, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

^^...agreed Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 23:34, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

yeahh--Icyyy Blue 23:41, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

It all depends on the kind of character you want to build, not everyone is supposed to have a tragic story^^ Imagine the noble, spoiled only child whose only dream is to have a little freedom. For them, joining the circus would be amazing and... they just didn't, and now they're stuck in their easy but uneventful life. See, it's not tragic but it can make sense. 213.166.198.185 14:18, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

The general notion of 'Missed Opportunity' is much more powerful than the specific example given. I'd pick it if the example wasn't so trivial compared to the other two. Biscuits 16:55, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I dedicated one character to it, solely because he had to choose between the circus and war and his friends ridiculed him out of choosing the former. It might *sound* petty, but proper imagination can do miracles to interpretation. - Infinite - talk 17:19, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

asura, norn, sylvari

We may not know how the exact questions and answers but we do know that asura choose college and first invention, norn choose a totem and sylvari the time of day they were born which is also linked to a season. Ramei Arashi

While that has been known for a while, what we currently don't know is how these questions are phased. Nor what the possible answers might be. Venom20 15:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

At one point we knew that humans would be able to choose their heritage; however, that doesn't seem to the be case since they cut down on the questions for the biography.-- Shew 15:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

While I hope what we saw wasn't the complete biology above, and I'm confused on where this "Charisma" option was for one necro screenshot, Shew is right - the biography was shortened and those we knew of being in the bio may no longer be in there. -- Konig/talk 23:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I hope heritage isn't gone, I want to be an Ascalonian and be mean to charr NPCs. Ramei Arashi 04:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Same, but my human has Vabbian, Krytan, and Ascalonian ancestors so it's not a big deal for me. -- Konig/talk 06:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it'll be something like: Human: heritage and social status; Asura: first invention and college; Charr: Legion and First Kill(?); Sylvari: Season and First Racial Encounter(?); Norn: Totem and First Adventure(?). I'm really hoping that we will still be able to choose our heritage and that it'll still have an impact on our personal story. Possibly it'll be part of the "Choose a physical appearance" section (for humans at least)? 136.159.72.4 21:26, 17 September 2010 (UTC)Zahra 22:26:10, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

However we're told that there are only five questions in the biography, and for human and charr, we see all five. -- Konig/talk 21:59, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Maybe the personnality and profession questions do not count in said "five questions", since they're common to all races...? One can hope^^ 213.166.214.21 23:07, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

"I'm really hoping that we will still be able to choose our heritage and that it'll still have an impact on our personal story. Possibly it'll be part of the "Choose a physical appearance" section (for humans at least)?" I can see that working out for Tyrian, Canthan or Elonian, but not quite for Ascalonion and Krytan. Big chance it won't really be in there. - Infinite - talk 23:27, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

ranger and warrior

Nobody played them in demo to get the questions and answers? Ramei Arashi 00:24, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I saw a video where the question for rangers was choosing one of three pets. However, I think Anet said the starting pets would be different depending on race, so I'm not sure how the information would fit in there... (and someone on GWGuru said warriors had to choose between three helmets, but couldn't remember anything else^^) 213.166.198.185 14:45, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a link to the vid?-- Shew 14:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

http://vid.buffed.de/v/mvzjEXAUHA7/Guild-Wars-2/Wartower-Spotlight-GC-2010-Folge-7/ Here you go, at the very beginning. 213.166.198.185 14:52, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!-- Shew 15:16, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

So did anybody get norn ranger starter pets from Pax East demo play? Ramei Arashi 07:49, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I remember reading brown bear + white wolf somewhere but I can't find the link anymore with our bugged search engine :( Also, I can't remember the third pet. Might be snow leopard but I'm not 100% sure. Chriskang 10:00, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Charr Father

I found this video online - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWVFrV0kZtg&feature=related, it's very blurry, but I was able to make out that the last option for the Charr's parentage question is "Loyal Soldier". I wasn't able to make out the rest of the text associated with it, however. I'll add this to the article.--Eldryth 04:04, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Figured it would be along those lines. Probably a "I'm proud of my bloodline and intend to live up to my father's name" or something like that. -- Konig/talk 06:22, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Asura Choice

[3]<--Personal story question 2, it says that the Asura get to choose what experiment they did in their youth. - Giant Nuker 20:14, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

we already knew that (ty anyway)--The Holy Dragons 20:42, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Warrior Helmet

Please stop undoing the changes! The source is a youtube video from the GW 2 demo version and I can guarantee that my translation is correct because I am fluent in both languages. Stop reverting this NOW! See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bunt2P-BROI Xunlai Agent 23:53, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

That is what I wanted to see in the first place. Actually spangenhelm was in the english demo, so I changed back that part. 87.97.122.149 10:04, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

A spangenhelm translates into a riveted plate helmet (I speak German fluently) and I will contact an admin if you continue to undo my contributions. We have translated the name of every other option yet you wish to keep the German term for this one? Sorry but that is simply inane and unacceptable. I will notify the powers that be if you continue to revert my work/translation Xunlai Agent 10:51, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

As I wrote, in the english demo they use spangenhelm (at 1:00), so dont revert back to translated information. Spangenhelm is german origin, but they use it in english too (as I provided link above). 87.97.122.149 12:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Charr Ranger Pet Descriptions

Here are the raw pet descriptions from footage I found on youtube:

Verschlinger: Mein Verschlinger ist ein wilder und unnachgiebiger Kämpfer. Ich habe ihn aus dem Ei aufgezogen und mir seine Treue erworben. Er würde sein Leben geben um mich zu verteidigen.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGtV0EhK1xI

Lindwurm: Meinen Lindwurm zähmte ich, kurz nachdem er geschlüpft war. Jetzt folgt er mir auf Schritt und Tritt. Er ist ein unermüdlicher und mächtiger Freund.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGtV0EhK1xI

Pirscher: Mein Pirscher ist mir ein lieber Freund. Er ist ruhig, schweigsam [...]

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLt4KuHeNkg

I have translated every single description into English and I would ask you not to revert my work. Note that for the stalker the rest of the entry was obscured because the camera suddenly shifted upwards, thus rendering any further documentation impossible. Nevertheless the fragment I caught is accurate! Xunlai Agent 11:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Very nice find, however, the translations are done by yourself and we have no official English sources to justify the translations. I won't revert it, though, but others might. - Infinite - talk 13:05, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

When Gamescom was first released, we had fan-done translations up on the wiki first, and when we saw the english version, we changed them. So these should stay up for now. -- Konig/talk 21:53, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Well I have provided the "raw" descriptions here, so in essence you can check my handiwork and modify it if you feel my translation is not accurate enough. However I would be very very surprised if this were the case! We may not have English sources, but I fail to see why that is overly pertinent. Anglo-centrism much?!Xunlai Agent 00:05, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

This is the english wiki. We document things in english - specifically of the American dialect (ArenaNet's dialect). If you want to document things in german, you can go to the german wiki (there is a german gw2wiki right?). Fan-made translations are fan-made translations. Sometimes, due to cultural or translation issues, words are changed between the two in order to convey the purpose better. So fan-made translations, even if the translation is correct, is fallible because it isn't the words ArenaNet uses. -- Konig/talk 03:09, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

It's not anglo-centrism, it's just documenting the game on English language settings as it appears in the game. It wouldn't be the first time English and German language settings had slightly different dialogues. So by all means, this is not an act *against* the German sources, it's rather that the finalized English dialogues *might differ* from a translation. As Konig mentioned, last time we had non-English sources for a while, we left the fan-made translations up until we had official English dialogue. - Infinite - talk 11:14, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Icons

I am currently working on getting all the icons of the choices available. How should we implement them? Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 02:52, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Here is my current bio icon gallery. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 03:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Maybe make it into a table with the icon, name, and then description? Eive 07:15, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I concur with Eive. -- Konig/talk 14:55, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Also, currently my only source for the necromancer "I mark my face with the symbol of 'Trickster Demon'" has the actual icon slightly obscured. It's a good quality icon, but it still is partially obscured by description, should I get it any way? Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 23:50, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Sure, we can always use the icons even if they aren't perfect. Though I think we should make them smaller, just a tad bigger than the weapon/item inventory icons, yes? 68.144.77.185 01:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

IMO these icons are rather detailed, making it smaller would just make it look like a randomly colored blob... Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 01:39, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I agre with Konig and Eive. Though, for me this icons are pixelated due to being above intended pixel ratio. Instead of 100px, can you try 75 or even 50? Just my opinion. - Lucian Shadowborn 1:50, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

It is not that they are above the size I found them it is that they are very very crappy icons. The best I could find on short notice, but let it be known I'm searching for better ones. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 01:54, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Ahh ok. Wait, are they the icons from the demo in Germany? O.o - Lucian Shadowborn 1:56, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

The icons are whatever I can find from any demo video. Mostly from Comic-con or Gamescon. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 02:07, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Warrior helmet

So what happens when you choose the "no helmet" answer? You start without head armor and the others have helmet? The profesion question seems to give you something at the start of your adventure (your pet, the design of the necro mask, the ele ciclet...). THe symbol of this answer is shoulder armor, and I don't remember seeing starter on the beta with shoulder armor, do they change your helmet with shoulder for your starter set? Anybody saw something about it on the videos? Lokheit 23:02, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Not sure, but if I had to guess I'd say something similar to GW1 (where you still get the stats from having a helmet, but can hide it for aesthetic purposes), though maybe with a slight twist (scar pattern? tattoo?). There's at least one video of a warrior created with no helm, but I don't think we ever get a shot of his armor screen, though I'd have to watch it again to be sure. --Seventh 21:55, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Hrm, another thought--maybe it's like the festive hats and is just put in a cosmetic "slot", similar to what the elementalist chooses as their favorite element (which according to anet is purely cosmetic). --Seventh 22:06, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

sylvari pets

How come under ranger, only two spaces reserved for sylvari pets instead of three? Ramei Arashi 05:37, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

The last three are for sylvari. "Sylvari" is just vertically centered with regards to the choices.-- Shew 05:39, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I thought it was 4 norn, since they have 4 totem animals and only 2 for sylvari, and didn't get why only 2. Ramei Arashi 05:41, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

norn q2

"At a recent celebratory moot held in Hoelbrak, I [revenge]." lolwut?-- Shew 15:17, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what it was in the demo. I hope they fix it soon. 82.131.239.59 15:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

May I add that, though the logos belong to the warrior's helmet bio, they are the same logos for the guardian's cloak bio. /reverts - Infinite - talk 15:27, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: EC'd on revert. :< - Infinite - talk 15:28, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that's just because they weren't available in the demo, though. :-P-- Shew 15:44, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree. :> - Infinite - talk 15:54, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

They are temporary (durr); the thief shares this issue. - Infinite - talk 21:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

norn pets?

no one filmed a norn choosing ranger as their profession? Getefix 16:31, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Believe me, I was upset as well. Aqua (T|C) 01:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Can anyone active here on the wiki and going to Comic-Con make it their mission to find out? The rest of us here would be much obliged. --Seventh 07:54, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Weird Combos

It seems weird to chose "nobility" when you are a thief. I mean, you're rich already! Why steal things from other people when you can buy it yourself with the endless amount of money that you have? Really want to see how that personal story is going to look like. --95.33.246.196 21:16, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

It happens. Aqua (T|C) 21:26, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Batman did it. --Riddle 05:12, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

In fact Robin of Locksley did so, too. Nobility also does not imply wealth. 88.153.105.75 11:27, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Also a lot of nobility are noted for being miserly (think Scrooge); This is just taking it a step further. Maybe I should make a Nobility Theif and name him Enron? Zolann The Irreverent 00:11, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

"you're rich already" - stop and consider how they became rich A F K When Needed 13:33, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Icon Changes

[4] - 70.31.128.184 23:56, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

So I'm not going to start a revert war on it, Chriskang. Care to explain why the revert on the changes? Because you obviously didn't look at the pictures, which are taken from the demo. 91.82.71.40 00:36, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the revert. After looking at the images, you'll notice they're asuran. The biography question in the article is directed towards norn. Norn aren't the asura. --1.153.14.245 00:46, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I saw the pictures and it seems pretty clear that they were taken before the demo. The charr girl and the green asura rival were replaced by the puking guy and Mr T for PAX East. And the date of the article on jeuxvideo.com doesn't prove anything, they could have taken the pictures several weeks before. Chriskang 00:56, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Put bluntly, there is absolutely no way that those are the *actual* icons. (Pink bowed charr and asura.) Aqua (T|C) 01:10, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

To be sure, I just sent a mail to the author of the article on jeuxvideo.com asking for the date of the pictures (sometimes being French helps ;) Chriskang 01:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

"Acknowledgement"

I noticed there is a [sic] after the word "acknowledgement" in the necromancer's profession question. Is this necessary? I understand "acknowledgment" is also an accepted spelling, but "acknowledgement" is the most common in United States English. ArenaNet is based in the United States. We don't use [sic] every time an article uses the word "center" which is also correctly spelled as "centre" in English. Does anyone else have thoughts on this? -  Alice  14:13, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Sic indicates that it is "verbatim"; not that the spelling is disputed. (Acknowledgement is a fairly uncommon spelling compared to acknowledgment, and I believe it was Reaper of Scythes who added it because Konig thought it was a typo.) Aqua (T|C) 15:08, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Both are correct, and the sic was added exactly as appointed above; ArenaNet is an America-located team and thus one would expect "acknowledgment". The sic tag is solely based on territory. - Infinite - talk 16:01, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not arguing the spelling; I'm arguing whether or not the [sic] is necessary in this instance. Thanks for the confirmation on territory, Infinite. For anyone else wondering, the Wikipedia Manual of Style compares common British versus American spellings of many words. -  Alice  19:39, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Why is it necessary? As always the wiki document things as they are in the game and some people may think it is a typo and would change it. That's why it is there. 91.82.183.23 19:48, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Repeating myself; it has a sic tag due to the use of British English in an American game. Equally, they may have changed the spelling in the meantime. I think leaving the sic tag is fine until beta/release at least, after which we check the descriptions of all skills again, anyway. - Infinite - talk 20:31, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Second the two comments above this one. It's best to leave it as is, considering Anet mostly spells things via American spelling. -- Konig/talk 20:51, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Third the three comments above this one because, although we do know what is verbatim in an interview/article/video, we won't quite know what is verbatim within the game until we see it in the game. Teddy Dan 23:15, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

engineer

add the engineer section and treat it like the sylvari/asura ones? Getefix 15:06, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I wrote my own bios. Now what?

On my user page I have my own bios...

One of my characters lost/will have lost/will lose her brother. So losing her sister doesn't fit...

Do I just pick these on release and just say, "I'm different!" than these pre-set choices? in Role Play?!Yumiko ^,~ 05:44, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

People who create their own stories for their characters, like myself, don't limit themselves to these options. To some, it apparently seems an impossible action, but it most certainly isn't. Most video "role playing games" don't allow one to completely personalize their characters - GW2's personalizing is actually the most I've seen in an MMORPG. Just play the way you wouldn't in those which didn't give you the biography option - pick what fits best, but don't limit yourself to them. My ranger, for instance, will be a human but will not be an orphan, regretting not joining the circus, or having a dead sister (that mirrors my GW1's ranger's story perfectly as he had a dead sister...). I don't let it hinder me. -- Konig/talk 06:55, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Whilst the game is directly affected by your Biography options, for pure self-invented, limitless biographies you will have to look past these restrictions. Alternatively you can build your characters around the options the game allows you to choose from (such as my characters). Don't let it bother you is indeed the best advice. - Infinite - talk 14:13, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The choosing a God part doesn't bother me as elementalists are pretty much messed up people, as they can't make up their mind who they worship the most anyhow lol. Lame joking aside, My ele is was a follower of Balthazar even in GW 1 along with Grenth as she used fire and ice a lot. I guess I have to just take it in stride and do what I want with my human characters. At least my other races will conform better.Yumiko ^,~ 15:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Necromancer face?

I wonder if we'll be able to take that ugly thing off...I want to see their face like in GW 1.Yumiko ^,~ 15:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The ghostly/spectral one looks good for me. Glastium | talk 16:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Hikari is going to look so ugly in Gw2. You should see her in GW 1, she is so adorable for a Necro.Yumiko ^,~ 19:59, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps they will implement a hide/show head gear, like in GW1. - Infinite - talk 20:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I believe these are all starter headgears, so you should be able to take them on and off. Also, most of the necromancer videos don't have the characters wearing their masks. --Xu Davella 22:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

What Xu said. I don't remember horribly many Necros with those masks on in the demo. - 22:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

@Xu: Some are shoulder pieces (guardian options and one warrior at least). But yeah, they're all starter headgear stuff. Exception being the ranger, which is obviously the pet and not armor. -- Konig/talk 05:32, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

But what about the cape option of guardian? I thought cloaks are for decorations or something... Glastium | talk 05:46, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Capes are attached to the shoulders so that's possibly shoulder armor. Hard to say with too little information. -- Konig/talk 06:01, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Biography page(s)

If we want consistency, then are we going to have pages for every biography option (i.e. Commoner, Nobility, Street Rat) or keep everything here?
I personally think that we should document all biography choices that have effects on gameplay on their own separate pages, (i.e. all race questions), and leave the profession apperance questions and personality questions as unpaged. What do people think? Aqua (T|C) 21:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

If the differences are not too major (which I will henceforth assume), keeping seperate articles with the differences (including spoiler notice at the top/after the introduction paragraph) should be ideal. If changes are a combining factor of multiple biography choices we'll have to find a very decent formatting method to abide by such a choice, which may be tricky. - Infinite - talk 21:52, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I see two paths for our options: Either we can a) Have individual pages and note what changes when chosing certain options, or b) keep all the options and their information here, and have the changes documented in their respective articles (e.g., anything that changes in Salma District would be noted in that article, rather than the various human bio options).

I vote the later, as some options are things which would make no sense to note the changes on those pages (e.g., the various god, Spirit of the Wild, and warband pages). It would be easier to denote the variations on the articles which are influenced by the variations - all of which will be instances, cinematics, and/or textbox dialogues. Konig/talk 23:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Having read that, I think we should introduce both. Areas affected will have info, as well as the specific biography options will have a list of changes throughout. Win-win? - Infinite - talk 23:28, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Overdocumentation, imo. If we keep the individual pages to aid in documentation - no matter how it's done - I still support deletion for things like Norn totem and Asuran college, as those articles are completely unneeded (High Legion is on a different standing than the other like-minded articles created). Not to mention that as a group, outside the High Legion, I don't see them ever being referred to except in mention of the Biography, which on the wiki can merely be linking to this article. Konig/talk 00:49, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit: I'm also against the use of individual pages since there are options that lead to existing pages that are irrelevant to the personal story (and we could probably add on the warband member names for the charr too). If we keep individual pages, it'll become a mess and requiring duplicate-named articles forcing a system like "Balthazar (god)" and "Balthazar (biography)" becoming necessary or risk extremely long pages (most likely, at least).

It would be easier to mark these things either on what's affected's pages and/or a page that mimics gw1:List of Eye of the North primary quests in terms of which options create which personal story missions and so forth. Perhaps 6 articles like so (one for each race and one for the merged story). If we go with individual pages, it'll just become far too complicated. Konig/talk 00:56, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

guardian choices

we have pictures for the engineer but not the guardian choices? Getefix 17:29, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

"These goggles allow its[sic] wearer" revert war

Rather than continue to revert war:
If I'm correct, then goggles is both a singular and plural term, much like how "pants" is both singular and plural. You don't say "I'm going to wear my pant" you say "I'm going to wear my pants" - likewise, goggles is used rather than goggle.
The biography is referring to a singular item - one pair of goggles.
Likewise, "These" is correct as well, due to the sound. English is a weird language. As such, from how I read it, while if almost any other noun were to replace goggles, how it is, I do believe is correct. Konig/talk 00:34, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

To extrapolate my point, correct myself, and bring it to a proper close, you would say "this pair of goggles allow its" or "these goggles allow their" to mean the same single object. Konig/talk 00:40, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I remember learning about this. Pants, goggles, shoes, any item that generally comes only in a pair (which yes, pants are too, a pant is a single leg only, and you don't usually wear one shoe, though you may talk about a single shoe), is both singular and plural. As such, when using words like pair of shoes, or pair of goggles, where you talk about singular "pair", it acts singular because of that, while the "of _____" is a prepositional phrase, describing the word "pair". When the word "pair" is left out, pants, goggles, and shoes, all act plural because they really are two things. "It" (and also "its") talks about one non-person object/animal/plant/etc, so is a singular. The goggles are talked about as plural, yet say "its", which should be "they"/"their" instead of "it"/"its". That's why the [sic] is there. After Pling reverted my edit, I looked back through, wondering why, and saw that; I had first thought it was used singularly, but it makes sense. ~~ Kiomadoushi 00:49, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

"goggles" is plural only. Always. Even if this wasn't the case, the line begins with "These goggles" so it can only be "their wearer". The history of this article is getting silly. --zeeZ 01:56, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

You're all wrong. "These googles allow the wearer..." It's the engineer that posesses the goggles, not the other way around. --Xu Davella 02:12, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

"its/their wearer" is actually correct just as "the wearer" - the goggles don't possess the engineer, but the engineer is the goggles' owner. As I said before: "English is a weird language" and I stand by it. Konig/talk 02:15, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

What if it's a very possessive pair of goggles? --zeeZ 02:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Goggles, by themselves, are plural. A pair of goggles is singular. It should be "allow their wearer" or "allow the wearer." "its" is definitely incorrect. Aqua (T|C) 02:30, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) To keep it brief, Konig and Aqua are right. --ஸ Kyoshi 02:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Mrrr, no, you guys are way off - it's not its. The sentence starts off with "these goggles". Because it doesn't even specify how many goggles there are, the focus on whether goggles is a plural or not is beside the point. The word its is being used as a pronoun, which is incorrect. It's the...The. OMG I hate English so much right now... --Xu Davella 02:48, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Lol, this is crazy... Can we all just agree that the sic belongs there? "Its" is wrong in this case, but that's what they used... Soooo... Agreed? Any further edits = wrong? Leave it as is? I never imagined so many people would argue over what it SHOULD be. It's wrong. It's wrong. Oh yeah, it's wrong. So, then, we keep the sic. Agreed, all? ~~ Kiomadoushi 02:56, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

What I find funny, Kio, is that Xu starts off by saying we're wrong, then goes and repeats what we said. Those who don't realize it's a sic haven't commented here. I posted this to clarify why it's a sic, not to say the sic doesn't belong (I merely made a mis-remembrance in my first post which I corrected).Konig/talk 03:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

So... You agree. This needs to stop. GW2W users have gone off the deep end. ~~ Kiomadoushi 03:46, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

-*tear --Xu Davella 05:08, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Weeeeeeeee!!!!!!! Deep end is fun! Weeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! /splat-- Necro Shea Mo

Thief changes

As seen here. Tenacity has been changed to determination, though no description can be seen.

Orrery

18:10, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Ranger pets

As per reverted edit, I still want to raise my issue with the current table; the icons don't align with all the other icons on the article. I'm usually not iffy about alignment that much, but in this case it just gets to me. Is there any other way we can design that table (aside from the reverted design) that aligns the icons whilst keeping the race information intact? - Infinite - talk 04:06, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

[5]

Regarding this Edit, Do we even have confirmation that it will be this way? IF we do then I apologize and it should be consistent, but if we don't common ground always comes first. --Briar AHOY! 00:11, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

We didn't make this stuff up, from all demo footage we've seen, it's been this order. Aqua (T|C) 00:14, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

As said, current order from the demo is profession->personality->race in terms of questions. This, however, can change at any time. And we don't really need to have the game's order, do we? Konig/talk 03:10, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I think we do. The character creation article walks through the process, and since this is basically a sub-article, I think it should too.-- Shew 03:38, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Sylvari Biography

In this recent interview, Ree and Jeff confirm that players will have a choice between "dawn, day, dusk and night". Also, one of the Sylvari pets, "One of the pets you can choose which sylvari is a type of dog we have named Soran Mastis...This is an animal that is born from the pale tree in the same way as a sylvari...These animals are seen by sylvari about such dogs are seen by humans, they are cherished pets." Cirdan 17:40, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Rough translation, I would wait for the English version of the info (for the dog at least; the seasons part is pretty clear). --ஸ Kyoshi 17:48, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Since we know choosing your cycle is one of the questions, and we know the 4 cycle options, I added them for now. Not sure how other feel about it, we will probably have more official stuff this weekend anyhow. --Moto Saxon 18:34, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

In the thread on Guru, Regina told us the English name of the dog was Thorn Mastiff. Rodinia 21:06, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Then why is it named "Fern Mastiff" now ? 213.166.207.170 08:20, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

formatting bio answer pages

The bio answer pages are inconsistent. should we format them? do we currently have enough info to make this decision?

• Currently we have several different things going on:
  • Cycle - 1 page, with subsections for each answer.
  • Commoner, Nobility, Street Rat - individual pages for each answer.
• Things to consider:
  • Some pages are small, only containing a little more info than what is on the bio page.
  • Some pages are large, such as Kormir, because they have a lot more info than the bio page.
• In the future:
  • Each page will grow as we play the game and get more info.
  • Each bio answer will affect your personal story:
    • should the affects be documented on the bio page, the answer page, or a new page entirely...titled "bio storyline paths" or something.

--Moto Saxon 14:36, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I like the Cycle page and think it would be fine to have subsections for each answer and how it affects your personal story. I would consolidate Commoner, Nobility and Street Rat into a similar page, and possibly Ash Legion, Blood Legion and Iron Legion as none of these have much more info than what is on the bio page. I would not consolidate the 6 human god pages, or 4 norn spirit pages because that would be to large. Instead, I would make a new page with subsections for each answer that only included bio related info + personal story affects. --Moto Saxon 15:06, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Well, we recently learned that each cyclical luminary has a certain role (and temperament), and they each seem to have their own area as well. 173.190.25.97 18:51, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Of the choices we have (ignoring profession and personality questions as those are either not affecting storyline or changes during gameplay):

• Charr
  • High Legion - each individual page is likely a gw2 version of an gw1:Affiliation, thus should be kept and will grow
  • Father - Nothing but story
  • Warband member - each individual page will likely become an NPC article.
• Human
  • Social status - nothing but story (including the combined page)
  • Six Human Gods - each individual page is an "unseen NPC" article
  • Regret - nothing but story
• Norn
  • Hunting quality - nothing but story
  • Alemoot mistake - nothing but story
  • Spirits of the Wild - each individual page is an (unseen?) NPC article.
• Sylvari
  • Cycle - each individual page may become an affliation-esque article

NPCs and affiliations make no sense to be combined with story possibilities, so the story possibilities should not be on the same article imo. Likewise, these story possibilities will likely be just lists - and lists can be combined into one article divided via sections. The four seasons ([[Autumn]], [[Winter]], [[Spring]], and [[Summer]]) have yet to be used - it seems they were replaced with the four cycles - and in turn should be deleted unless altered to lore articles of the actual seasons (unnecessary). There is absolutely no need to create 72+ articles (current number of individual options and combined possibilities - asura and 2 sylvari questions are excluded, but will likely add an additional 51+) for the biography/personal story when 1-7 can do (7 being biography+personal story+1 list per race). Konig/talk 23:03, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Maverick

Anyone else think this is a reference to Top Gun? As in Maverick and Goose? --Briar AHOY! 01:51, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Is there any connection/similarity other than the name? Aqua (T|C) 02:20, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

"Maverick is the best single-combat fighter I've ever met. Unfortunately, he has a wild streak and has developed a reputation as a loose cannon outside our warband."
Basically the premise of the movie character. --Briar AHOY! 02:24, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

It's a possibility, but it doesn't belong here - when an NPC article is made (I bet he'll be an NPC in game that has something happening to him if we chose that option), it should go there. Konig/talk 06:56, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. --Briar AHOY! 20:16, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

It's in the dictionary: "a person pursuing rebellious, even potentially disruptive, policies or ideas." The term is also used as a derogatory term for the "rebel faction" in the Megaman Zero series. I'm sure it's used other places too, with the common derivative as the word itself. --ஸ Kyoshi 05:18, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Asura

After the demo, now that we have Sylvari info, is this the best we can do with Asura as well? 166.217.59.41 00:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Updated with info from http://www.guildwars2journal.com/gallery/album/2-gamescom-2011/, but it's not letting me enter the word "cocktail" for the Valet-123 Golem entry. Could a mod please edit it in? I put a dash where it belongs. Also, there's the question of the curious third part. I believe the question and answers we had listed before were from a translation from the German, but even that doesn't account for the huge differences. Should we make a note? Qing Guang 18:41, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Wow, what happened? From how to honor someone to who's your mentor. Ramei Arashi 16:29, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

My guess is that one was a remnant question from when the bio was to be more like 8 questions, before the first demo, and it somehow got through. Konig/talk 17:13, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

I like the honor question. I could just see me picking "sabotage their project" choice and then being so honored by some NPC. (LOL) Ramei Arashi 17:58, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Amount of questions

In release are these all the questions that we're gonna get? Or are there gonna be more, and either way is there a source to that answer?--Mark, het Beest 08:34, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

I think i read that thered be more questions. --Angelkiss 08:40, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

From memory, it was originally 8-10 questions but it was reduced to 5 so that it'd be easier on those who are not heavy rp'ers or whatnot. Was said at last year's Gamescom or PAX. BS if you ask me but le sigh. Konig/talk 02:23, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

From the way things have been phrased in ArenaNet's articles, I've gathered that the other choices (i.e. faction, favorite lesser-race) were spread over the course of the personal story. 72.48.74.189 23:34, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Charr biography images

How come they are not of quadratical dimensions? Have there not been any sufficient sources? — astronomy 12:27, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

After going through literally every video that showed character creation on YouTube, yes, those are the best I could do. Aqua (T|C) 02:58, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I meant it with no offense Aqua, and I think you have done/are doing a great job, but I was just surprised I guess. I have tried to upload a few from the latest wartower videos but if I have done something wrong etc. I would be happy to receive some constructive criticism about it. — astronomy 05:44, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Lyssa

Lyssa - Lyssa wears many masks. She is the dual-faced goddess of beauty, => water <= and illusion. She is the patron of the most attractive and graceful among us. Her blessings have touched me all my life.

Wut? 77.164.165.114 22:50, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

So they expanded Lyssa's portfolio in GW2; what's the big deal? Aqua (T|C) 23:21, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Water = reflections = mirror = beautiful. pling 23:27, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Wiki records the fact. It records regardless of whether the designers do it right, or wrong. Glastium | talk

Mk. i thought Grenth was the god of water n stuff 77.164.165.114 00:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Nope; Grenth is the god of ice/cold but not the god of water. Aqua (T|C) 00:12, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Abaddon was the god of water; Grenth the god of cold, which goes into ice. In GW1, you'll note 95% of the Water Magic skills - which are buffed by a blessing from Grenth - are ice or cold based. After Abaddon's death, water must have gone to Lyssa, rather than Kormir, and Grenth lost the ice - keeping coldness.

Should be noted that all gods were expanded upon, but they all make sense. Dwayna gained healing, Grenth gained darkness, Balthazar gained honor, Lyssa gained water, Kormir gained spirit and order, and Melandru gained growth. Konig/talk 02:15, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

"Grenth is the god of darkness, ice and death." Grenth never lost ice?!?--Angelkiss 16:54, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Huh, I distinctly remember "cold, death, and darkness" - though possibly not in that order. Konig/talk 23:38, 27 November 2011 (UTC)