Talk:Assassin/Archive1

Completely unrelated, but oh man I hate it that Jeuxvideo never translates interviews. --Sirrush 18:29, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Also, yay Assassins! --Sirrush 18:30, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

The interview doesn't say that Assassin is a class. It's rather a title that keeps track of the number of monster you have killed in a given category. Chriskang 18:59, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

The more I read it, the less I think it'll be called "assassin" in English. Rather "slayer" or something like that. Chriskang 19:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, it was called assassin in GW1. I dunno why they'd rename it. --Kyoshi (Talk) 19:52, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Because assassin was a Canthan concept. I find it for more likely to be renamed the far more generic rouge.--Corsair@Yarrr 19:54, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I suppose, but it's still a pretty generic term. Rogue might make sense, guess we'll see. (But rouge is a color. =P) --Kyoshi (Talk) 19:57, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I have never claimed that my spelling is impeccable, quite the opposite actually. And you got the point, so whats the matter... lol--Corsair@Yarrr 20:02, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I just like to make fun of people when they spell wrong, but I mean no offense. Comes with a knack for spelling things right, I suppose (though spellcheck embedded in my browser doesn't hurt XD). --Kyoshi (Talk) 20:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Wait. I didn't say that the profession assassin will be called differently. I said that the French word "assassin" in the JeuxVideo interview is used as a translation for another English word. My guess goes to "slayer" because of the context: it's an achievement/title that keeps track of the number of creatures killed, just like gw1:Norn rank. Chriskang 20:19, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Would 'Mindless stabber' enter the convosation? --Neil • 20:20, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't know Chris, it's capitalized. As such it'll either be a profession, a title, achievement or feat. Or something else. But the fact that its capitalized (and thus not a translation) makes me feel that whether Assassin will be a profession, we'll get some use out of this page anyways. --Sirrush 20:23, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Deletion

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with it. French article or not, Assassin is hardly word contained to the French language, and as such it can just as well be speculated that it is in fact NOT a translated name. Whether it is a profession or a feat, or whatever, this page will still prove useful, and as such it should not be deleted, text can easily be changed once we find out more. Which will most likely be tomorrow. --Sirrush 23:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I also disagree with the deletion because even in the original no translated interview it said Assassin. - Giant Nuker 23:23, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

"t can just as well be speculated that it is in fact NOT a translated name": which means it's just a speculation, so it's not necessary to this wiki. If tomorrow we get confirmation about a feat called "Assassin" in English (as opposed to assassin in French), then we could just recreate this article, considering how it would have to be completely rewritten anyway; it would be as much work to remake it as it would to fix it, and by deleting it until we know it's about something relevant we both avoid speculation on the wiki and avoid spreading disinformation (which is all this article is currently doing, by mentioning an assassin profession while using as reference an interview which mentions an assassin feat). Erasculio 23:30, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

The reference in the translation is definitely not about the assassin profession which this article suggests. It is about an achievement (success in my google translate?) or feat. Delete it. -- Aspectacle  23:37, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Throwing my lot in with the deletion gang.--Corsair@Yarrr 23:59, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I vote for deletion as well. At this time -in English- "Assassin" on the Wiki refers to the profession that might not be part of GW2 at all. I (and probably a lot of others) strongly doubt a title/achievement based on the amount of kills a player has attained will be translated to "Assassin" directly and thus this page is useless at this time. - Infinite - talk 01:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree with deletion, like you can see on the achievement page Assassin is named Slayer in English like most people were assuming it would be. Prince Grazel 11:51, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Why has this page not been deleted? Most seem for it. Ariyen 02:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Confirmation that assassin is an achievement

Stéphane confirms what I said before in a Guru post. There is no indication of the assassin profession in this interview --> removing reference and voting for deletion too. Chriskang 18:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Ironically, now I'm against the deletion. Since now we have been told that the word "Assassin" has a meaning in Guild Wars 2, I think we should keep this article, while erasing (as I have just done, actually) any reference on it about a possible assassin profession. Erasculio 22:39, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Stéphane didn't seem imply in his post that Assassin would translate to anything other than the same in English. I'm hesitant to support the page because of the implications for the assassin profession based on something originally in French. Ultimately I'm not sure, but am now okay to keep. -- Aspectacle  23:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

We can make a disambig later if necessary. I don't see the irony though, Eras, as this is just what you've been looking for to keep pages. --Kyoshi (Talk) 02:06, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Delete or not delete?

Inactive discussion is inactive. As said above by Prince Grazel:
"I agree with deletion, like you can see on the achievement page Assassin is named Slayer in English like most people were assuming it would be."
So, delete this Assassin-page or rewrite it to be a speculation-page like Mesmer? --Naoroji 17:35, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Though I'm not a huge fan of speculation pages. I feel that many in the community are adamant that the assassin will make an appearance. So to that light, I vote to turn it into a speculation page similar to the mesmer. After all, if the assassin doesn't come to fruition, it can always be deleted then. Venom20 12:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I vote stay, simply because there's no harm in keeping it. If the info changes, then the article changes. (Xu Davella 15:14, 28 August 2010 (UTC))

"I feel that many in the community are adamant that the assassin will make an appearance": which is a great reason to delete this article. It's one thing to guess that mesmers will return after the way they have been mentioned ath Ghosts of Ascalon; it's another to think that assassins will return because "OMG assasssssins ur t3h cool LOL111!!111!shiftoneoneone!11!". I don't think it's a proper thing for the wiki to have an article purely based on speculation, especially in this case. Erasculio 15:39, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

And, actually, looking at the Achivements article, there is no evidence that Assassin has been translated to English as Slayer. Keep in mind that there is a category of achievements called Slayer, but that in no way contradicts what ArenaNet said, that Asssassin is an achievement (as opposed to a category of achievements). Considering how we have been told by an official source that Assassin is an achievement and we have not been told by any official source that Assassin is not an achievement, I would rather keep this page as it is. Erasculio 15:47, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I say it is too soon to tell. Achievements can go two ways at this moment. Way one would be that they're like title tiers from GW1, but it isn't the same requirement (that is, Assassin is killing 50 creatures, then there "Big Time Assassin" is killing 100 creatures and replaces the Assassin achievement - while there could be "Ogre Slayer" for killing 50 ogres, the kills also counting to Assassin, then there's "Ogre Assassin" for 100 Ogre kills which replaces Ogre Assassin but not the Assassin or Big Time Assassin achievements). Another way to do it is that there are x separate and unlinked achievements with their own tiers - that is, each achievement acts like a title from GW1 - and Assassin is one achievement while Slayer is as Era said, a category for the achievements. Too soon to tell. It might have been renamed between the mention of it and the demo, it might not have been - and if not, it might or might not deserve its own page. -- Konig/talk 22:27, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Delete it. No idea where this will fit. Comparing to what I've currently added to Achievement. Some achievements will require a page, for sure. This one wont. Too short, too odd and definitely doesn't fit in anywhere. No one wants to see an identical page like Harpy Slayer, Drake Slayer or Worm Slayer. ge4ce 18:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Take note of the "ninja stars" on the leg armor http://izziebytes.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/blog_gw2_sin2.jpg - 74.171.163.219 04:28, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Still not definitive proof of the class being called assassin. That said, I don't really have a stance on delete/keep. --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 05:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I am re adding the delete tag. After all, most on this page are for the deletion. I am as well. I see no reason to keep this page, even for what little information there is. It's not enough to stay. Ariyen 02:39, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I say delete, this article is pure speculation, while the Mesmer has been mentioned, and has a profession CA using it's GW1 color. Eive 04:32, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

"Assassin is the name of an achievement, based on the number of monsters a player has killed" Can be placed on the Achievement Page. It's just one line to this one, while we have other pages that have more to them. If there's more added or to be added to it. It can have it's own page. Ariyen 07:04, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok, so if Assassin the name of an achievement, whats that proffesion with stealth (confirmed) and daggers (....duh?) called?, if its Ninja, im leaving right now.--Neil • 08:44, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Just playing devil's advocate, but the Ranger has at least one stealth skill and can use an offhand dagger. Not to say I disagree that it's likely to be assassin, just saying we don't know yet, and something has been renamed, so who knows. --ஸ Kyoshi 08:52, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I disagree with the deletion of this page. If we delete this article, it will be made again, just like similar other pages were made in the past. Assassins in GW1 have a big following of players who don't really pay attention to how the wiki works, and who are willing to make speculative articles in order to express how they want to play as ninjas in GW2. Just like how we have kept an Enchantment redirect to Boon with the purpose of letting GW1 players know how one mechanic has been changed for the other, keeping this article allows GW1 players to know that the name "Assassin" doesn't belong to a profession in GW2, rather to an achievement. Once the GW2 assassin-like profession has been revealed, then we may delete this article, or preferably make it a redirect to the Achievements page. Erasculio 10:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

That to me, really does not give it reason to be kept. Other speculation pages have been created and deleted. It's no biggie. It does give something that the Sysops could do, which is delete the page as more are for deletion than against. 72.148.31.114 16:54, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Stricly speaking, this page is stating what the "Slayer" achievment(s) is(/are) like. We have no English mention of Assassin, nor a descriptive mention in any official sources. We can re-create it if the Assassin profession is revealed (if ever), but for now I support deletion. - Infinite - talk 17:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Infinite, it seems that our conqueror achievement is the category which holds the 'total monsters killed' achievement. This article will be undoubtedly be recreated for those who wish to obtain this achievement. There will undoubtedly be quick ways to gain this achievement by following a particular pattern within Tyria. I strongly vote against the deletion of this page, as to my previous statement on the 30th of august. 158 achievements = 158 total tiers (slayer), while this list is incomplete, some others are already there (and complete). I guess I should have seen this coming a bit ago seeing how I already had figured out that achievements = total tiers. Anyway. Let's keep this! ge4ce 19:06, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I suggest this Achievement/Conqueror Page to list all Conquerors and detail them, including Assassin. Problem solved. Now can we delete? Also, I'll be creating such page to help have all Conquerors together instead of all over the place and be confused as is with other things including Profession from gw1. 72.148.31.114 19:29, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

If you've read my previous statement, there is only one conqueror achievement called 'Assassin'. Which has 3 tiers and so has 3 achievements respectively. This page will be used, which also stated in my previous post, to find ways in obtaining these tiers faster. ge4ce 19:34, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Less of an issue if you'd created a sub with same information for all 3. Instead of people stumbling on to these pages. Less actual pages for people to stumble on to and less confusions. Some things need their own pages, others do not. 72.148.31.114 19:43, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Doesn't really makes sense to have a single article filled with walkthroughs for all Conqueror achievements and each individual tier, as opposed to just having specific pages for each main achievement. At the GW1W we don't list all Eye of the North faction titles in a single place, we have an article for each one. Erasculio 19:45, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Then do Assassin (Achievement). I know this one is to be used for such, but would you rather solve issue of confusion or this still be an issue with people? I think if we show that this is not a (profession) by letting the redirect lead to Assassin (Achievement) until all professions are announced then it would be solved and can be moved back. 72.148.31.114 19:52, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I see no issue with this page as it currently is. Erasculio 19:54, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

How funny. Do you not read through comments seeing how many are confused when they come just to the talk or to actual page thinking this should be for a profession? I do and I can point that another was suggesting that people bring their profession speculation of "assassin" to this talk. I would like that solved, before we have people do things like that. At least temporarily, until all professions are announced. It would solve any potential and current issues and could "save" the page. 72.148.31.114 20:02, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I have read such comments, and yet I have also tried to simply read this article and realize how it rather obviously states it's about an achievement, not a profession. Creating a disambiguation term for an article which has nothing with the same name in GW2 is only going to make that problem worse - we only make disambiguations for things sharing a name. Making an "Assassin (achievement)" article would only make people speculate even more that there is an "Assassin (profession)" article. In other words, it's not solving an issue, it's creating one. Erasculio 20:43, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

It's already an issue. You miss my "redirect" from this page to Assassin (Achievement). It's only to show that we know there is no profession, but we are tired of people trying to assume this one to be one. If they create the Assassin (Profession) as seen that it has been created. It can be deleted again and protected. Problems solved. 72.148.31.114 21:13, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Aryen, I didn't miss your redirect. It's as useless as the rest of the point you are trying to make. Nothing you are proposing would be an improvement, we would only end with a disambiguation for something that doesn't need to be disambiguated. I don't know what you are think you are going to stop (considering how this page had been left alone for a long time, without anyone speculating about an assassin profession here, before you decided to delete it), but you are only causing trouble, not solving it. Erasculio 22:01, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Page break

Who says anything about a disambiguation? That's assumption. It's clear you are not listening or understanding. Only you are the one assuming it's going to be an issue and that there's not one. Only you are the one assuming I'm causing trouble and not "helping" by suggesting a redirect. Now that you've seen what I did. Do you understand what I mean? Or are you going to keep "assuming" that there's going to be a disambig? 72.148.31.114 23:54, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

ge4ce, thanks for pointing that out to me. It still doesn't change my mind in the slightest. Mentioned before: As with GW1, there is no page for every title rank. A collection of information true to a title track has its own page. If anything, this article needs to redirect to Achievement at this point, whereas if the Assassin profession is released, it should become a disambiguition page. - Infinite - talk 13:37, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Ariyen, let me teach you one thing about how a wiki works: you need to have at least some degree of consensus in order to do a controversial change. You are not allowed to just make a change and ignore its surrounding discussion just because you cannot make a good argument defending your point of view.
Now, to answer your question: the tag (Achievement) acts as a disambiguation, and we only add those when there are more than one thing with the same name in the wiki. Is there any "Assassin" in GW2 other than the achievement? No. Therefore, the (Achievement) tag is not necessary.
Now, is there an issue with people flooding this page spamming speculation about the assassin profession? No. Before your edits today, the previous edits to this talk page were two entries one month ago (let me repeat it so it sinks in: one month ago) and further entries were months ago. The article itself had not been edited since July. There is no issue with people speculating about an assassin profession on this talk page. The only issue here is someone again trying to act without waiting for consensus. Erasculio 00:05, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I also disagree with the move. If the article doesn't clearly explain that assassin is not a profession, it's the article content that should be expanded, not the page name. I've added a trivia note to attempt this (i.e. stated it explicitly to remove the need for others to infer or ask on the talk page). pling 00:11, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Um Erasculio, It's 1 November 2010 (UTC) when the last comment, so less than a month. Brush up on your knowledge. Thanks! @Pling, maybe that'll solve people from suggesting on other pages to bring it here. Thankful that it's not brought here, despite some people think that it won't happen, because it hasn't. It "might", if we have others suggesting to bring it here. Preventive measure of some sort was needed and I think Pling, you did the right thing, solving both my implusive to solve things, and another's implusive to be blind about on goings on the wiki. 72.148.31.114 02:41, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

The important part of Eras' comment is that there is no current issue with speculation on this page, and the only drama being created has been started by you. If you really decided not to counter those points in favor of assaulting an approximation, you're not helping your argument. --ஸ Kyoshi 04:02, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

So from what I'm reading, the article name should be left as it currently stands? Don't know what the big deal is, but it sounds good to me. (Xu Davella 14:24, 29 November 2010 (UTC)).

"ge4ce, thanks for pointing that out to me. It still doesn't change my mind in the slightest. Mentioned before: As with GW1, there is no page for every title rank. A collection of information true to a title track has its own page. If anything, this article needs to redirect to Achievement at this point, whereas if the Assassin profession is released, it should become a disambiguition page. - Infinite - talk 13:37, 29 November 2010 (UTC)" I have been saying the same damn thing, but look at the wots of Noo don't, etc. I think this page is worthless and should be what I did create, but ended up deleted. Which is having these "ranks" like this on a page, instead of their "individual" pages. In all honesty, it'll also add more to the servers, adding in more lags, etc. and more complaints. The more pages, the bigger the Kbs. The bigger the kbs, the worse the lags. It is useless and stupid, when all information can be on less pages. 72.148.31.114 21:10, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

You mean like what the achievement page has listed? Or was it something else?(58.7.140.85 02:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC))

"The important part of Eras' comment is that there is no current issue with speculation on this page"Except for the fact that it is speculation. 8D Which, ironically, Erasculio has stated should never be on wiki main pages. Ironic, isn't it. -- Konig/talk 03:39, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Not so much speculation as that it's regarded as a possible mistranslation, iirc. --ஸ Kyoshi 05:08, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it's been proven on the second link. It's just this is such a small page that's not needed. It'd been better on a subpage or added under the Conqueroring section. Far as what's stated here that is... Seriously, I was like just for one line we have a whole page dedicated to it? 72.148.31.114 05:13, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, missed that. Necessary if we'll keep the page like this, of course, and until we have more information on achievements I'm not sure where I'll lean on this issue. --ஸ Kyoshi 07:05, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) "Except for the fact that it is speculation. 8D" Let me clarify this, since people are apparently confused:

• This page is not about a possible Assassin profession.
• This page is not about a French achievement that may be translated as Assassin.
• This page is not about the Slayer achievement.

As Ge4ce mentioned above, we know as a fact that there is an Assassin achievement in the game, under the Conqueror category of achievements (which incidentally means Konig not only is wrong, but he didn't read the full discussion, but anyway). The thing is, Assassin isn't just a tier within the Conqueror achievement; Assassin is an achievement itself with its own tiers. Making an analogy with GW1...

1. Achievements are like titles.
2. The category of achievements (such as Conqueror) are like the main subdivisions of titles (Core, etc).
3. Assassin is like an individual title.
4. The first tier of the Assassin achievement is like the first tier in a title.

At the GW1W, we have individual pages for each title - we don't list all GW:EN faction titles together, rather we have one page for the Asura title, one for the Norn title, etc. Likewise, on GW2W it makes sense to have one article for each achievement, instead of grouping all of them in a single page. The relevance of such pages comes mostly from the walkthroughs we will eventually have for each of them, which will differ from achievement to achievement just like in GW1W they differ from title to title (again, farming Norn points is different from farming Asura points). Ignoring the fact that Aryien is (again) stirring more drama under the excuse of trying to prevent a problem that doesn't exist, having an article for the Assassin achievement is something we will eventually do anyway; considering how it helps to prevent people from making an Assassin article believing it will be about a playable profession (something which has happened some times already), it's something better keeping than deleting and recreating later. Erasculio 08:23, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Yet, you still fail to miss the whole point. Let me clarify, Creating a section , not necessarily with ==this== attached, under the tier's defining what each does is fine. Creating separate pages for one liners, while you can have them say the exact same thing on achievement page (without wasting kb, space, etc.)? Ridiculous. Get the point? Btw, I'm not creating drama. I have an issue with a one liner that can be included on another page and not need it's own "special" page. I do not see the point at all of this, when it can be included on the Achievement page just as easy as it was, when someone created this page. I would see it, if it had more information added to it, like many of the others that do. However, having a page for a simple line (that can be added just as easy in Achievement (below the Tiers in Conqueror) ) is very much ridiculous. Acutally, the more I think about it. We already have it all explained on Achievements for Assassin. This really isn't needed... Just add the references next to assassin. Cause look here...

This page:

"Assassin is the name of an achievement, based on the number of monsters a player has killed."

Achievement under Conqueror

"This category is about how many monsters the player has killed. A total of 3 conqueror achievements can be attained."

listing under it Assassin.

Why this page? It's redundant for a repeat... 72.148.31.114 09:11, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) gw1:Conquering_Lightbringer - Lightbringer rank;(Redirected from Conquering Lightbringer). Ergo, delete this page altogether and redirect it to Conquerer on the achievements page, as stated above. I'll explain why carefully: The only "Assassin" we can currently speak of is the achievement. Also, this achievement is currently rank 1 of 3 ranks. Hence; we cover the track (Conquerer) as a whole once we have all information according, and not have seperate pages for every rank. The Assassin Tier is not an individual track, and therefore does not require an individual article. - Infinite - talk 15:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Infinite, you are making confusion between categories of achievements and tiers of achievements. Sword Master and Axe Master are both within the Weapon Master category of achievements, but they are not different tiers of the same achievement; they are different achievements, each with their own tiers. Same with the individual achievements within the Party Animal category, and it's the same with Assassin: it's not a tier within the Conqueror achievement, rather an achievement within the Conqueror category. Erasculio 16:29, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

But then; This category is about how many monsters the player has killed. A total of 3 conqueror achievements can be attained. How can you find 3 totally different achievements in a monster kill category? It sounds to me this is simply 3 tiers within 1 Category... Or do you reckon they'd count different type of kills, such as Assassin is only kills from behind (or something similar)? I understand what you mean now, I misread before. But that also raises a question; are we making seperate pages for every Weapon Master achievement? Sounds a bit counter-productive. I still think we should keep all achievements of one category in one article, unless they end up being too unique to eachother. But in the meantime, only this achievement has its own article which is a unique situation. To delete this page and redirect it for now, or to keep it and make similar articles for the other achievements, as much as our sources reveal them? - Infinite - talk 18:39, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

It is counter-productive as we could have all Weapon Master achievements in one section. Just like we can keep all Conqueror achievements in one section. I think for now this should be deleted, until we can get more information to create the Conqueror page with other achievements in that category. After all you can use == these == to separate each achievement in that category. Easier, better, and less pages, less kb. 72.148.31.114 19:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

There are no more conqueror achievements beside Assassin. Why? Obviously, cause when you check out the Weapon Master category, there are no more weapons (beside the environment weapons that don't count) then the 16 we know. Each weapon having 3 tiers. 16x3=48. The screen shot of our achievement panel shows that there are 48 total achievements. Meaning that 'total tiers = total achievements in a category'. Only the Slayer and Hero (that can become complete, if we put our imagination there. Seeing how each race has their unique Hero stories) categories are the incomplete lists. Assassin is an achievement that will require people to kill, a lot, like how our first tier of Fortune Hunter is 1000x. Like Fortune Hunter, the Party Animal achievements will get their own page eventually... Even the Hero achievements will be linked to their respective pages in the future. But, yes, we will need more information to fully understand all the achievements within the game. I still strongly believe this page should stay, but I do not wish to defend for it's existence if people strongly wish to make a redirect out of it (and strongly wish to make a point out of it). Or delete it entirely. (A bit too inactive and inexperienced to make calls here.) ge4ce 19:51, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

The page really doesn't need all this discussion. Keep it and we'll figure it all out later.

And Ariyen - did you get some directive from ArenaNet that we need to save space here? Because I think this overwrought discussion is taking up more space than any actual page content on the topic ever will. 0_O -- aspectacle  20:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

No, I didn't get any "directive", but I like preservation. I like to keep things simpler. @Ge4ce, We don't have Party Animal on gw1 having separate subpages per rank. I can see it, if it's more than 3 sections for just 3 tiers. However, just 3 and we're creating individual pages? It's really... Really redundant, when no doubt that 3 combined would still be less and better than 3 small separate pages. I don't see the need getting people to have to go all over the place, when one would no doubt be better. This is a wiki, not a maze. 72.148.31.114 20:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

To reply to Infinite's question about whether we should delete this, or make an article for each achievement: IMO, for now we should do neither. Again using GW1W as an example, there we have individual titles for the GW:EN allegiance titles, but a single article for all the Cartographers titles. I would expect more or less the same thing to happen here - achievements which are related and earned mostly the same way would be together (such as the weapon master achievements - as far as we know, as soon as people find a low damage high health monster to spam attack skills on, we will have the best way to earn all of those achievements), and titles which despite being similar are earned in very different ways would have their own articles (like the Slayer achievements - people will likely farm centaurs at a different place and with different strategies than what they use to farm Zhaitan's minions). Even the matter of what we are making articles for, the category of achievements or the achievement itself (Conqueror as opposed to Assassin, for example), needs to be individualized, IMO.

Therefore, this is one thing in which I would rather wait before implementing any big change. We don't have any good reason to delete this article, and it not only describes an existing achievement but it also helps people who come here looking for an assassin profession to realize that no, there is no assassin profession in GW2, so I would rather keep it. Erasculio 22:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I never understood the need to draw parallels to GW1W. This GW2W is supposed to be new and unique, and yet people keep attempting to take examples from another wiki. Why not just draw comparisons to some other arbitrary wiki like Elements the game wiki or the Stargate wiki. People really need to think of new ideas. Anyways, that's my rant for today, on to the topic at hand. I currently have no disputes with this article. As Era has pointed out, it not only currently describes the achievement but also currently informs people about the lack of a current assassin profession. IMO, we do not have enough information to expand this article, nor is there little information so as to delete it. In regards to creating articles for each type of classification or achievement, I don't know if I favour this. The question then may become "where does the line get drawn?". The conquerer type has 1 subtype: Assassin, so this would require only 1 subpage. But if we discuss something like Party Animal, does it require three subpages? And similarly for Slayer, do we need 37 subpages? The argument, as I see it, then becomes the method in which the points are acquired. For slayer, it all revolves around killing creatures, so they are all identical. This can also be said about the Weapon Master. But then, what would be the difference between an article Trader and an article Fortune Hunter? Nothing, they would be one and the same. Unless they introduce more subclasses, this is redundant. If I were to throw my vote into the pool, I would redesign the structure so that each achievement has it's own article, and that within that article the subarticles be created. What I mean by this is that we create a Conqueror article to describe the achievement and have a subsection of that article describing assassin. Then step 2 would be to redirect the article assassin to Conqueror#Assassin. Thus people would still get the relevant information. Though it is speculation, I would go out on a limb and say that anet would not create a class with the same name as the achievement. This post is long enough, I think Ill quit here. Venom20 23:39, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

"This GW2W is supposed to be new and unique, and yet people keep attempting to take examples from another wiki." If something works, there's no reason to branch out simply for the sake of originality. And GW1W is something most of the users here are familiar with, and it has several systems which work just fine. It's far from arbitrary to reference it.

Anyway, I agree with Eras and co, for the time being. --ஸ Kyoshi 01:26, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Venom. I tried a subpage via Achievement more so to be showing what I mean. I did not try it on my userspace to show more-so what I meant, because so few don't want to edit there due to potential of people screaming vandalism. However, that was deleted due two who are against it without a consensus to see if they would even like that idea. Now, I have seen very similar suggestion from two others sides myself. It's not worth keeping this page, if we create something like what has been suggested. Better handling and better for users all about, not just editors as it's not the ease of the editors one should please, but the ease of the user. It seems as if this (the ease) is being forgotten here. 72.148.31.114 01:32, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) In a partial tl;dr...I think that we should delete the page as a profession page, (and if and when the profession is released, we can remake it) and have it currently link to the Conqueror page. Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 02:09, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I'm not getting involved in another "originality" debate, twas just my 0.02. Unfortunately nothing can really be done about this page for the time being. There are just too many "speculators" on the assassin profession to leave out the notation about the GW1 profession, but there is too little information at this time to possibly redesign the achievement articles. At this present moment, I don't think it would be a good idea to remove the article. Venom20 02:29, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not talking about redoing Achievement page, but to do subpages like Conqueror, etc. with the same information, basically information for each tier and type of Conqueror Achievement . At least for those that have 3 to them or less. I will echo again that I don't think this page should exist, if it needs to for vandalism... Do what aqua suggested and redirect it. There's no need for an "disambiguation section" either, not when the page gets a redirect. However, I think that for Conqueror and other sections of Achievement that list 3 achievements with 3 tiers (or less) should have a main category page like Conqueror and the list of the achievements and other information. Ariyen 02:53, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Move and NPCs

The only relation between 'Assassin' and achievements I found is the name Professional Assassin from the PvP Conqueror. In this case it should be moved and maybe only exists as redirect to PVP Conqueror? On the other hand, during the storyline mission Voices From the Past you encounter NPCs called 'Assassin'. So this page should be used to describe these NPCs. Balwin 21:22, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

There's an also an armor set called Assassin, it's human cultural tier 3 for medium (I think). 22:46, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, the minimal content here isn't worth moving, and as I don't think we normally make articles for individual achievements, I say just replace this with the NPC info.

@Felix: we've already got that at Assassin's armor, possibly need to have {{otheruses}} on here. —Dr Ishmael 23:31, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Moved

Moved to Professional Assassin as Assasin needed for NPC. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Claret (talk • contribs) at 13:45, 2 March 2013 (UTC).