Talk:Tailor

I assume tailors also make various bags Dominox 09:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I had started an overhaul

But my work was lost due to an error on the wiki ( :< ). It used the STDT|recipe tables, as well as removing the template. I'll put up an example and work towards restoring what I've lost in intervals. - Infinite - talk 12:13, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

8 slot craftsman bag

10 bolts of jute and 3 bone chips! Yumiko ^,~ 18:59, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Vital Embroidered Jute Mantle (master)

1 vital embroidered jute insignia 1 rawhide epaulet panel 1 jute epaulet padding

enjoy! Yumiko ^,~ 03:10, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

note: the insignia can be changed in the recipe to find the other 5 types.

More Recipes!

any Embroidered insignia + parts for any armor piece = (insignia prefix) Embroidered (Armor Piece) (Master)Yumiko ^,~ 03:47, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Any normal insignia + armor components for any armor piece = (insignia prefix) Embroidered (Armor Piece) (Fine)

Note: Fine is not noted in the recipe, name unlike simple. Yumiko ^,~ 04:13, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I've taken some screenshot of recipes (about 119), it was included also the stat of the items but for a bug it isn't visible in the screenshot. Hoping that can help to add more recipes! Erebo85 23:53, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Much better than me trying to vaguely or quickly describe how to make a slew of them by interchanging parts that fit into a recipeas i did above. Yumiko ^,~ 14:44, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Out Of Control!

That's where this is headed if we/you try to list every item a Tailor can make. I suggest instead listing the sets they can craft (Student's Coat, Embroidered Coat, etc) and having a link to a page that lists all the variations that exist on that particular set of armor. See Bronze Pistol to see what I mean. Wombatt 00:29, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Being the person who made many of the changes to this page, I completely agree with you that this is not sustainable (given that we have at most half of all possible items to go on this page). My issue is how we should re-organize; with your suggested change the amount on the page would be reduced by at most a factor of 3, which still leaves too much in my opinion. Should we simply first specify sets (Embroidered Armor/Shadow Armor/Student's Armor/Acolyte's Armor) on this page, then by armor slot (head/neck/etc), and then by level required on the individual pages (e.g. simple, normal, master)? I also think the "general" recipes are perhaps the most useful -- we should seek to expand the insignia pages to show which activators correspond to which insignia-types. -- Frozzen 17:52, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

To clarify: this would be similar to what has been done on the insignia section (although I think the insignia section should be changed to be a chart which shows level requirements); however, what I am proposing is to simply bundle most of the crafted sections into armor "sets" (I know "set" is not a good word): Emroidered, Shadow, Student's, Acolyte's, etc. -- Frozzen 18:01, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Crafting organization has been under discussion here for a while, if you'd like to jump in. —Dr Ishmael 18:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Jellybeans, how many are there

I wager that the jar has 900 jellybeans in it. Er, that Tailors have access to something near 900 recipes. —Torrenal 08:50, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Backwards!

How come the tables are organized from highest level to lowest? Seems backwards to me, and contrary to every other table I've seen. Wombatt 00:46, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

nobody sorted them? Or they added content to the top? No worries, the detailed tables are leaving this page, you'll find the new version will have much easier to find content. —Torrenal 03:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Coats

There are no coats on the page, chest armor. Wombatt 23:34, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Reverts

Please don't unilaterally decide to revert or remove sections of the page. There has been a lot of discussion and tweaking done to make the discipline pages complete, feel free to put in your own thoughts on the formatting page. Wombatt 00:48, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Uniformity not wanted?

I was making some changes to get a bit more uniformity with leatherworker and armorsmith but they were removed before I could clean up some redundancies. Isn't the idea of a wiki to have som uniform layouts over the entire wiki? Astrea 14:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, we want them to look pretty much the same. I'm working on a re-write of the Tailor page, there's a general crafting formatting discussion here, please join in the discussion and give your opinions and ideas! Wombatt 14:18, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

The content that I removed is already present elsewhere on the page. While I'm all for uniformity, I'm not for moving away from good things to bring it, and I'm strongly opposed to duplicate content and unique recipes on the front page for a crafting discipline. Tailor will have around 800-900 recipes, there just isn't room for the whole set. —Torrenal 00:26, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

The info you removed wasn't present, a link to it was. There's a big difference. I don't know where you get 500 recipes from, currently the page displays less than 50. You should look at instead of reflexively reverting someone's changes to your efforts. A crafting page should have crafting information, not a list of links to secondary and tertiary pages. Wombatt 03:53, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

• Component recipes: 12 * 6 -> 72 (12 components * 6 materials)
• Insignia: ~ 2 * 7 * 6 -> ~84 (~ 7 types, 6 materials, and 2 kinds)
• Product recipes: ~ 6*14*6 -> ~504 (6 pieces, 14ish insignia, 6 materials)
• Unlocked armor pieces: ~ 6*6 -> 36 (6 pieces, 6 materials)
• Bags: 3*6 -> 18 (3 bag types per material)
• Refinement: 2*6 -> 12 (2 refinements per material)
• Runes: ~ 60-200 (crude estimate)

- Total: ~786-926

If you want to get technical, yes, the generic 'This is a bag' recipe recipe is on the page, not a unique recipe for each bag. I put that generice recipe there and then removed the detailed bag recipes. Later, Astrea put the detailed recipes back, so I removed them again. If you want a page for all tailor recipes, make a Tailor Recipes page, and keep them off the main tailor page. You'll daunt players by starting them with the full list. The Tailor page is ABOUT tailors, not the be-all end-all of of what tailors are. Just like the Warrior page is ABOUT warriors, not the be-all end-all of what warriors are. —Torrenal 01:40, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

You obviously haven't looked at the rewrite page. Players aren't daunted by the information, they want to see it on the page and not have to navigate through three more layers of pages in order to compare different armor.

Component recipes - collapsible by tier

Insignia recipes - not on the page, only a short blurb and a link to the full insignia page. The thought is that anything that's Tailor-only goes on the page, shared items (insignia, runes, refinement) gets a short bit and linked to the main info through a {{main}}} tag.

Product recipes - 40, not 504

Bags - accurate

Refinement - accurate

Runes - there for now, but if/when they become that extensive, they won't all be listed on the Tailor page, they'll have their own page and a little blurb linking, like Insignia.

It's not as extensive as you're thinking, it's enough info to be thorough and a one-stop-shop for a good, illustrated understanding of the crafting profession. Wombatt 02:16, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

New revision

As far as I can tell, the new revision is a unilateral decision made by one person, contrary to the collaborative process and consensus built over a period of time based on input from both wiki contributors, and random people asked in GW1 for their opinions on different page layout option. Expandable tables aren't there because that's the easiest format, it's there because that's what the people wanted, to not see EVERYTHING at once. Tables weren't forced to be 650px wide if they didn't need to be, with an eye on narrow format viewability. One person cannot say "this is how it should be, make all the other pages look like it" without first building a new consensus. Expect a revert in the near future, before any real substantive changes get made to the page. Wombatt 17:58, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

I merely made it consistent and appealing, sorry for being bold. - Infinite - talk 23:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Tier 5 Recipes

Silk Recipes (Normal) make Feathered Armor. These are the level 300 to 350 recipes. The Master of Whispers wears this. (I cannot remember the person's actual name in game.) Silk Recipes (Intricate) make Masquarade Armor. These are level 375 recipes. I recently obtained 400 tailoring, so I can confirm all of these things. I'm also new around here, so sorry If i get formatting or anything wrong. --Ominous Fire 03:11, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Few Fixes

All Gossamer Recipes require level 400. Including material refinement. Edited recipes to reflect this. --Ominous Fire 18:27, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Acolyte's vs Acolyte

Acolyte is the tailored set and it's never given a 's. The dropped armors and attained alternatively armors sometimes have 's and sometimes don't. We seem to have the tailred ones as Acolyte's instead with the pages already made. --Grumpy 06:48, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Noticed this myself just now, and see it's already been mentioned. All of the relevant pages should be updated to the correct form. If I knew how to do each and every update (beyond simple text fixes) I would, but don't want to do it halfway. Kruhljak (talk) 15:58, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

10 Slot Ogre Bag

Hi guys. Playing leatherworker and checking all the karma vendors at hearts. I am not checking all the other vendors for money but sometimes when I check by chance some of the money vendoers I find recipes. Found a Recipe: 10 Slot Ogre Bag for 1 silver 44 copper in Blazeridge Steppes, Degun Shun at merchant with the name Glubb (coin above his head, no karma, no heart). If someone wants to buy and check it out to add it feel free to do so. Since I am not a tailor I did not buy it. Not yet until I start my elementalist and level it and start tailoring. ;-) - lordmd 08:26, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Masquerade Set

How are we looking at fitting this in? Should it be more apparent on the main page as to how it's crafted, or that it is available at multiple levels? If we're going to put it in the item breakdown, shouldn't it be listed at every point it can be crafted? Perhaps listed to the right in another column? The way it is now, you wouldn't know that you can craft it with wool or cotton unless you were directed to the set page. Moiax 18:29, 26 September 2012 (UTC) Agreed, someting like this? maybe indented a bit, I forget how to do that... I'm currently updating all the tailor recipe pages so if someone wants to copy and paste the correct info for each armor item that would be great. IF that is, this is apporved of... FardaleFeedback 18:41, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Product	Discipline level	Variations	Materials
Embroidered Mask	25-50	12	Jute Headpiece Strap Jute Headpiece Padding Novice insignia
Student Circlet	75-125	14	Wool Headpiece Strap Wool Headpiece Padding Wool Insignia
Acolyte Mask	150-200	14	Cotton Helm Strap Cotton Helm Padding Cotton Insignia
Winged Headpiece	225-275	14	Linen Helm Strap Linen Helm Padding Linen Insignia
Feathered Headpiece	300-350	14	Silk Helm Strap Silk Helm Padding Silk Insignia
Exalted Masque	400	7	Gossamer Helm Strap Gossamer Helm Padding Master insignia
Masquerade Mask*	???	7	Wool Headpiece Strap Wool Headpiece Padding Intricate Wool Insignia
	???	7	Cotton Helm Strap Cotton Helm Padding Intricate Cotton Insignia
	???	7	Linen Helm Strap Linen Helm Padding Intricate Linen Insignia
	???	7	Silk Helm Strap Silk Helm Padding Intricate Silk Insignia

• The Masquerade Set is crafted using the Intricate Insignias from Tiers 2-5 (Wool - Silk)along with the appropriate Components from the same tier.

Armor Section Reorganization

I just spent most of today finishing up the Crafting Components section and I really liked the collapsible table method employed there. Couple my like of collapsible tables with my annoyance at the organization of the Armor section and you'll see why I thought it needed help. I made a copy of something I would like to see in my --Sandbox-- and was wondering what people thought of the idea. I don't like the general recipes at the top (thinking of another table) and the Masquerade Set at the bottom is just me removing what was already in the Armor section that is up now. The Masquerade set needs its own section similar to how Armorsmithing did it, only better. But anyways, thoughts? --Eidelion 08:03, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't like having the tables collapsed very much, but if people love it, it's ok. I just have one wish there, add the name of the armor skin to the "Tier 1 armor" header in every table part, so it's easier to know which tier is which. Maybe lowest crafting level of the set too :) - anja 04:45, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion that the sheer amount of information requires at least a few collapsible tables to make the page manageable, but anyways. I've made some changes in my --Sandbox-- and now the titles reflect the name of the armour set as well as the tier of crafting material required to make it. Still not sure what to do about the Masquerade section but I'll talk about that in the section above this. --Eidelion 20:13, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I like the changes you propose in your Sandbox very much, and hope you will implement this. I find the collapsible table a good pro, but the sorting by tier instead of armor piece a must! Shol 12:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Missing information on precursor recipes for ALL NPCs

Master craftsmen seem to be missing information about the purchasable precursor armor recipes unlocked after completing and receiving the free Refined Envoy set. Comparing the pages for Recipe: Refined Envoy Cowl (light armor) and Arturis or Textile Synergist Vizza (tailors), the NPCs are missing any information on said recipe. I haven't checked thoroughly, but I would assume the same is true for all the Armorsmith and Leatherworker NPCs as well. Putting aside all the horrible page layouts and bad linking between pages for legendary armor and precursor armor in general, it would be a good idea to add these recipes to the NPC tables somehow. I don't know how. Sacropedia (talk) 21:01, 1 October 2020 (UTC)