Talk:Steve

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This is a commonly used name for both the deep sea dragon (like bubbles) and the labyrinthine horror. I don't see why this shouldn't exist, we often (on here and gww) have redirects for player nicknames / shorthand. horrible | contribs 02:35, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

It is not cannon and a too common name. —Kvothe (talk) 10:18, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Way to completely ignore what I said. more examples: toon & war. We also have entire articles dedicated to unofficial things. like Guild vs Guild. Also: gw1:Category:Common_name_redirects. horrible | contribs 15:00, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

What I very much don't like about the current state is that searching "Steve" doesn't give you any obvious way to get to Labyrinthine Horror, which in my experience is the most common use for the term. The Common terms article, which is the justification Tanetris gave for deleting the Steve article before, doesn't even show up in the search results (default 20 results per page) until the third page, as it's almost entirely full of references to voice actors named Steve. IMO we should make this a disambig article pointing to the actual game uses for the name. - Felix Omni 16:30, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

I think what stops me from considering this further is that these other pages are (for the most part) common slang in other games across the entirety of the net. "Toon" is a common slang word meaning the same thing - a player character, an alt character, etc. It's commonly accepted jargon. It makes sense to me to have a page like that here in case GW2 is the first foray into MMO's for a new player. I guess at the end of the day... I feel strongly that players should use the correct in-game name for an item, NPC, or character. With the deep sea dragon, we don't have a real name for it. It's just an entity we know exists, but that's it. And the Lab Horror has a correct in-game name. If someone searches "Steve" thinking they'll find the Lab Horror page, well, I feel strongly that once they come up empty, they'll use the correct name. Muirellthe Moon 17:01, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

The given examples are common abbreviations or internet game slang. GvG you even have an area for it in Steve is just a made up name like the wvw wurm has a different name on each server. (Also we are not on the gw1 wiki here.) —Kvothe (talk) 20:38, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

KP - Tag - Dorito - Lupi - [[Djinngot]] - [[Lidl kc]] - [[No fly zone]] - trio and, again,Bubbles. horrible | contribs 22:04, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

I personally see no harm with having it as a redirect either to the Horror or the Abbreviation page or a disambig page like Felix proposed. ~Sime 23:16, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

I claim responsibility for the recent redirect for the Steve page. Memery aside, I think this solution can be halfway met. Why not unlock the page, create a Steve disambiguation, and have it point to all 3 Steves. I may have been a bit hasty, forgetting about Stavemaster, but my redirect was sincere. Also writing the word "Labyrinthine" is a "Horror" within itself. I think Steve is a fast and useful way people can get to it. I wholly recommend this as a permanent solution. Chárrgineer (talk) 01:02, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

(Reset indent) While this never(in my opinion) should have been a page to begin with, to bring this to an end, it’s been redirected to the common terms page to cover all the things called Steve. I’m not removing the protection however since there’s been a history of reverting/deleting both here and elsewhere. - Do_odleplex

Probably the best way to compromise on this. For the record, I feel very silly knowing that there is a redirect for "Steve" when the entire thing is basically a meme. As for "lidl kc" and "Djingott"... the heck? I'm certainly not the most hip of GW2 players, but those are terms I've never heard used and I raid every weekend and am drowning in 10k Spirit Shards. Muirellthe Moon 01:21, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Move proposal

This page should be the disambiguation. I defend that this cat that can only be seen while under the effect of April Fools items should not have priority over the community nicknames for the Laberynthine Horror and Soo-Won.

I concede that this cat is an official in-game npc with this name. But, considering the wiki is written by and for players, we must consider the (very low) popularity of this cat that deem it unworthy of being the main article.

For these reasons here summarised, I propose Steve should be a disambiguation page with short descriptions of the official and unofficial Steves we have in the game, and let the reader decide where they want to go. Warming Hearth (talk) 20:43, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Okay so perhaps we should be writing this down on the wiki not on the discord today.

• The only thing formally named "Steve" ingame, is the cat.
• Sure, the halloween community have been calling chainsaw guy steve for years, but its firmly unofficial.

Imo we should be documenting the game as it exists as a priority, with precedence given to things found ingame. -Chieftain Alex 20:40, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

I understand the community's nicknames for stuff and why some would find a direct linking to the disambiguation page as useful (especially considering how minor this cat NPC is as opposed to some notable story character), but I feel that those should still be secondary to what's actually presented in game canonically by ANet themselves. Steve is a cat NPC that exists with that name in game so the page title should generally be linking to this NPC. Anyone seeking other meanings for Steve via the wiki like various bosses's noncanonical nicknames etc. (especially since some bosses can have multiple clashing nicknames based on which communities use them as was the case with e.g. Labyrinthine Horror) should be able to spot the disambiguation note on top of this article easily and click it to find other meanings if they so desire. From my understanding the only time we've ever veered from what a page should be about is if the game presents one option as a bigger marketable feature than the other despite lore supporting the original take (e.g. the debated raptor NPC race vs. the more marketable raptor mount, or the name of a living world episode vs. the name of a profession skill as was the case with No Quarter). We've had rare cases of a page leading directly to a disambiguation page such as Player but those are few and far between and have often been about ANet's nomenculature itself. --Kossage (talk) 00:14, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

IMO, the NPC that actually exists takes precedence over a community joke name that not everyone uses. The Labyrinth Horror is also called Bob and other male names for example by the community at large, despite the wiki not referencing them because they're "not important enough" or something (according to Felix as of today - an edit I wholeheartedly disagree with). And the DSD was Bubbles, Selbbub, and now Soo-Won. The nickname "Steve" is not the primary nickname, and neither is it official nor unique to them.

A simple otheruses tag would suffice which is what the article currently uses. Wiki readers are not idiots, they'll recognize there are other uses for the name if they see the tag. Konig (talk) 00:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Agreed with Alex, Konig and Kossage for the reasons stated above. Sunlion (talk) 01:22, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

I support the proposal to make this the disambiguation page. The wiki should be helpful to players first and foremost, and I don't believe any reasonable person can say that players searching the wiki for "Steve" are more likely to be looking for the incredibly insignificant and brand new cat than for the Horror, who has been acknowledged by ArenaNet as Steve, or for Soo-Won, or for Steve Blum, or for any other use of the name. In fact, outside of this discussion, I expect that the only person who cares about Steve the cat is the person who paid to name him. - Felix Omni 02:44, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I can see both sides, but in this case I think the community name is minor and we do have an official page for an NPC (till a more important one comes along). I'd be fine having the cat keep the main page and linking to an other uses on Steve (disambiguation). That way if people were expecting something else they can get the disambiguation page easy with 1 more click and we still keep official stuff at the forefront. If it was a more commonly used shortcut or abbreviation I'd go for the disambiguation page as the main one but I don't think that's needed here. -Dak393 (talk) 05:23, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Dak and Dak's reasoning here. However, as I stated on discord, in my opinion it is not that an NPC page has the priority over anything else (we have many articles that would prove otherwise, and it ALWAYS depends on the context imho) but when deciding if an NPC or a disambig due to a community-given nickname (that's not even universal, must I add, and there are multiple nicknames as pointed out by Konig) should get the main page, I would say that it should be the NPC in this case. To be absolutely honest though, I do not care if we will end up with Steve (cat), Steve, Steve (disambig) or Steve (Steve), I only care about that this, while starting as a normal discussion, eventually progressed into an unnecessary drama. Cat drama, seriously? I wanted to post all of us on the wikipedia wall of fame/shame because how absurd this is, ngl. ~Sime 17:32, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Does anyone oppose to

{{Otheruses|the [[Extra Life]] cat|the Halloween boss|Labyrinthine Horror|other uses|Steve (disambiguation)}}

This article is about the Extra Life cat. For the Halloween boss, see Labyrinthine Horror. For other uses, see Steve (disambiguation).

? Warming Hearth (talk) 17:56, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Warming Hearth's proposal. --BuffsEverywhere (talk) 20:32, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

It makes sense to me insofar as I expect the Labyrinthine Horror to be the most likely desired search result for Steve, so one less click would be an improvement over now. I would want to see a little more context; maybe the Halloween event boss commonly known as Steve? - Felix Omni 20:38, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I disagree with the proposed moves of "Steve" and "Steve (disambiguation)" - enough reasons stated above. Current state seems good to me. Does anyone disagree with the removal of the move tags? —Kvothe (talk) 10:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes. - Felix Omni 17:21, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Suggest we leave it to the end of next week (24th?) -Chieftain Alex 17:30, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Sure, I think it's more than reasonable to assume that everyone who would have been interested will see it and have a chance to comment by then. - Felix Omni 20:55, 14 June 2022 (UTC)