Talk:Special event

Name

Is there a reason for "Bonus event" being lower case? —Kvothe (talk) 20:42, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Not only that, but I believe the title should be plural, as this is a list of multiples and not a singular event. KairuByte (talk) 21:31, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

It is lowercase because it wasn't an official name, though now as there is "Bonus Event: xx" ingame that seems no longer to be the case. And article titles are not in plural unless that's their exact name again (same like World boss, not World bosses article for example). ~SimeTalk 22:55, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Feedback 2019/06/16

That was quite drastic. For me, at least, it doesn't increase the readability. --Tolkyria (talk) 13:38, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Agreed, it was easier on the eyes with the images, too. talk 14:33, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

I would like to revert to the old design too. —Kvothe (talk) 17:32, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm always up for simplicity and simplifying things, I appreciate the effort and also I agree the old design caused broken links. However, I feel this new way was also somewhat drastic and cramped the info as well as removed some info. With the previous design I made a distinction of the features (which stuff changed) and the bonuses (the buff players received), with this new way they are mixed again. What about maybe making a template derived from the releases one for this, a middle ground between both, then no broken links or any necessity for images? --Txonä Atan - (talk) 19:59, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Oh, also I always thought the official description for these funny and cool xD --Txonä Atan - (talk) 20:02, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

It would be nice if the 'active' event used the same alignment format as the 'historical' events, I feel. I did like the pictures, but they aren't really necessary. Inculpatus cedo (talk) 20:46, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

I obviously think the current format is easier to navigate, but it's also clear I'm in the minority here. I'm not against making further changes to the page, but I'm very much against simply reverting it back.

First of all, bear in mind that as far as we know, special events will be a much more common occurrence from now on, and the page will grow very long very fast. Making each row kilometre long is not eactly future-proof. And I wouldn't be surprised if the current iterations of special events—such as the World Boss or Meta Event Rush—started repeating in the future, which would only add to the problem.

Second, the template used was made specifically for releases. Not only can there be potential changes to it in the future made with releases in mind, but even now some of its features don't make any sense on this page. The release type colour-coding strip is useless, it's always going to be grey. Many events don't have their own articles and none of them have game update notes (and the styling used makes it impossible to distinguish which labels are proper links without hovering over them). The events always have durations rather than a single date to begin with, so the date superimposed on the image is pointless. And while I like the images in principle (and they work well with releases where we can all but guarantee to have some fitting art available), we often don't have anything meaningful for special events (such as with the current Destabilized Magic). And if there's no image, the purple date is very difficult to read anyway.

I don't mind the descriptions, I kept them in the changed version for a long time and I originally wanted them in the releases as well, I'm just afraid they will make the page too long. I don't mind keeping the features and bonus effects split (although I personally don't see much point to it), but I would prefer to shorten some of the effect descriptions—we don't need to know exact magic find increases or a list of all attributes affected by bloodlust on an overview page. And I would remove times from the durations (at least in the historical events), they're just noise. If you find a way to deal with events without an obvious image, I'm not against putting them back in, but they should still make sense. 22:23, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

I support the current format since it'll be easier to update and its cleaner (particularly bearing in mind not every release has an image). -Chieftain Alex 22:38, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Okay. --Tolkyria (talk) 17:02, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Feedback 2019/07/17

Just a note that even though the description states 'receive rewards for each Tier you participate in' for World Boss Rush (July 16), one need only participate in the event to receive all rewards. --Inculpatus cedo (talk) 21:27, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Template feedback

Ok so I have been tinkering with a template for this article and I came up with a style merging both previous and current formats used by this article. A scratch of it can be found in my sandbox here, does anyone have any input or comment about it before I turn it in an actual template? Thanks in advance. --Txonä Atan - (talk) 19:20, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

It looks good, I would just add style="display:none" to the filler rows so that they aren't displayed but are still counted for the odd/even colours, and I'd consider keeping the game modes written somewhere (maybe at the right side of the name/date row?). Also I'm slightly worried about the Enhanced Bloodlust descriptions being too long for such a narrow column, so I'd definitely be in favour of simplifying those instead of just inserting them all there in full. Other than that, though, I have no issues with this layout. 21:53, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Oh yes, somehow I tried using that to hide the row but no idea why it didn't work but yes, they weren't to be intentionaly shown and I was going to hide them.

About game mode, yes I planned to put them too but I was unsure where and ended leaving them out for now. I thought about coloring the rows according game modes (similarly how it's done for Releases) or put them at right side of name/date row yes.

I see the point about too much in a narrow column. The size of columns weren't final yet, I just put a value to get a general feel of how it might be and surely no need to put the full descriptions in a few cases, my main intention is just to split "effects" (the buffs seen above skill bar) from "features" (changes in game mechanics which usually wouldn't be easily spotted like the buff). The length and details could be reduced, like in case of Enhanced Bloodlust the description could be shortened as it is in the current version, per example.

Thanks for the feedback. --Txonä Atan - (talk) 03:30, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

If this is the new template, it doesn't seem to be working. And now it is, so nevermind. Inculpatus cedo (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

That comment was a roller coaster of emotions. :P 21:29, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Lol, it kept saying 'undefined something' even when I refreshed. But, leaving the page and coming back seemed to fix it. Sorry. Inculpatus cedo (talk) 21:33, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Hehehe, it's ok. Well, indeed it broke for a bit because of a change, I changed the names of parameters to lowercase and the page was still using them in uppercase, that's how they were initially. But I fixed it within a few minutes. --Txonä Atan - (talk) 21:35, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Special event vs Bonus event

I originally created this page under the "Bonus event" name as that was what was used, and not entirely sure why it was moved to Special event later. Anyway, recently ArenaNet has been using "Bonus event" in their promo materials and blogposts, including the latest Fractal Rush, and the Bonus Event achievement category. Might be worthwhile making that the main page and this a redirect. ~Sime 18:19, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

There is a lot of mixing special event and bonus event in the blog posts. There are events that have been called both. World boss rush called special event but located in the historical Bonus Events (achievements) category etc. I think there is as much evidence to keep special event as for swapping the pages around. I would like some more opinions. —Kvothe (talk) 11:17, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

The mixing is true, this is why we have both names at the top (and might be why the user back then moved it from Bonus events here, who knows) but ingame the category says "Achievements related to the current bonus event." Seems that Special events was initially used for festivals and such and then it got mixed together. ~Sime 11:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the current documentation of Bonus Events (achievements): I want to clean that one up because half the achievements in there are in other categories ingame. Other than that, I do support the move to Bonus Events because I feel like that the one more commonly used. Asuaka (talk) 19:56, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

It seems they settled on the "Bonus Event" after all, and the achievement category name indeed supports that. As they plan to do it more often, we can rename it now or wait a bit more to make sure this name stays. Also, personally I like Bonus Event just because its very self-explanatory compared to a Special Event.--Genie (talk) 17:13, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Hey, it was me who did the move. It has been a loooong time then I can barely recall for sure the reason but I remember it being discussed before the action, either on Discord or on the former "Bonus event" talk page.

Well, I believe the reason was to merge both Special And Bonus events yes, they were separated pages before and Special events were being confused with Festivals (or just Bonus and Festivals and Special being among Festivals, I can't recall it). Also, "Special" and "Bonus" terms have been used interchangeably as already said, just a simple search on this very page and you can find both terms being officially used either in titles and descriptions (either for the event itself or related bonuses/buffs).

Either way, since there is already a redirect and both titles point to the same page I don't actually see a reason for a rename/move/swap. At the end, most of people don't even notice when it's a redirect (despite it being at the very top). --Txonä Atan - (talk) 22:12, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

The issue is that recently Anet has been calling these events almost exclusively "Bonus Events", we should keep the wiki always up-to-date with the official terminology. ~Sime 16:41, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

I understand but still, there is a redirect so I don't see an issue though. And who knows if they wouldn't change it again later. --Txonä Atan - (talk) 01:28, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Next event after the current WvW one is also called "Bonus Event: Player vs. Player Rush". So, its clear that for now they are Bonus Events. If they change it later, so will we. --Genie (talk) 13:41, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

I am a fan of keeping things more general than getting too lost in the technicalities. ANet turns on and off many events which overlay the game throughout the year. Some are scheduled and deeply involved (what we're calling festivals), while others are currently one-offs or lack a set schedule (what this page seems to be aiming to cover). Keeping a broad, generalized page as a catch-all helps us avoid the categorization trap. We don't have to debate whether a Beta event or Charity event is a Bonus event, because we have a page that can accept it. It also future proofs how we use this page, e.g. I don't want to ever categorize a memorial event as a Bonus event. Greener (talk) 15:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

The problem is that we need to have a page for these new regular Bonus Events as they are a recurring theme now and are distinct from random one-off events through their Achievements category and general structure. We may keep this one, and mention them here, but the current trend absolutely warrants a proper page for Bonus Events.--Genie (talk) 15:35, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

The general consensus I am getting is that Bonus Event is the current and correct term, it is also the most likely term someone will search the wiki for. I did a copy paste over to the Bonus Event page, deleted everything here and replaced it with a redirect for "Special Event" to the "Bonus Event" page. The dead landing page for Bonus Event was incredibly frustrating as there are multiple bonus events in game right now that people are likely getting directed to. Gopherguy2011 (talk) 23:01, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

There is no consensus yet, it was 3 v 3 (me, Asuaka, Genie vs Kvothe, Txonä Atan, Greener) before you commented. Please do not move pages around before a discussion has concluded. ~Sime 23:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

My two cents are to have the boss/fractal/whatever rushes as the Bonus Events since that seems to be what Anet calls them, and any event without the "rush" name/older event like the Mordrem Invading Tyira as a special event. Could also put a see also to Festivals since I've seen Festivals called Special events. So I'd split info/keep seperate, not merge/move. ❤ - Do_odleplex 23:27, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Honestly split (Bonus events + Special events) would make sense if not a direct move, we need to document somewhere the "Bonus Events" events especially if they gonna reappear in the future, but as Greener said some events just...cannot be called Bonus Events yet we have to, obviously, document and present them. It would mean an additional page to maintain though. Also yeah Doodle, on the official preview pages and blogposts Anet calls Festivals "Special Events" so there's that. ~Sime 23:34, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for keeping the functionality of having "Bonus Event" direct users to this page which I think is the most important thing at least for right now. I don't know if I would create multiple pages, there is a chance there will be a different name for these events in the future requiring even more pages. If we want to consider "Special Event" as a catch-all term for any temporary event I don't have any issue with that. I don't know if having multiple pages summarizing historical events adds much to the functionality that isn't already here. Also you would find yourself down the same rabbit hole of events currently called "Bonus Events" vs older events that essentially functioned the same but maybe were not labeled as "Bonus Events". Gopherguy2011 (talk) 00:44, 30 September 2023 (UTC)