Talk:Logan Thackeray/Archive 1

As people who were around at Wintersday will know, Lt. Thackeray had a bit of a thing with Gwen. Is it possible that Logan is a descendant of the pair? If so, it'd be pretty cool to have a descendant of Gwen around :D --Santax (talk · contribs) 21:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm rather sure he is a descendant of Gwen : D He's our new Devona, too. Erasculio 21:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm rather sure Gwen wasn't interested in men. 04:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

People change you know. Fox007 10:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

He was one of the few people who actually warmed up to Gwen. Cress Arvein 01:53, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Noo my Gwenny ;_; I'm just sad cause she feels like a daughter to me...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aliceandsven (talk • contribs).

I don't think Logan is Lt. Thackeray's descendant, One thing, Eye of the North is very far from Divinity Coast. And it isn't like that Thackeray is not a common last name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Miteshu (talk • contribs).

Firstly, distance doesn't matter - if you can go from Tyria to Cantha in your own lifetime, having generations travel from Eye of the North to Kryta is nothing. Secondly, there is only one Thackeray we know of (and we've seen plenty of last names), so it may not be common in Tyria. -- Konig/talk 00:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Ascalonian?

How do we know he's Ascalonian? -- pling 20:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

We don't, it is speculated that he is the descendant of Lt. Thackeray (and Gwen) of the Ebon Vanguard, which would be Ascalonian descendant. Though technically, doesn't he call himself a Krytan in the second trailer? Or at least he is part of the Seraph Guard in Divinity's Reach - he might be descended from an Ascalonian, but now he is Krytan (as he isn't in Ebonhawke). I removed the category from the article, since at worse it is incorrect and at best it is speculation. -- Konig/talk 20:39, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

When players choose their heritage at the beginning of the game, they may choose from 5 nations, 2 of which haven't existed for over two centuries. I imagine most humans will be born in Kryta, but their heritage is a different matter - and a distinction as important as charr legion, asuran college, etc. Although I do accept that it's speculation, albeit speculation that I firmly believe to be true. But that's a different matter. --Santax (talk · contribs) 22:26, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Arguably, Ascalon still exists in the form of Ebonhawke, but that wasn't so much the point in my mentioning of Kryta and the Seraph Guard - it is more of that he isn't in Ascalon (Ebonhawke) and, as it may seem, Ascalonians are more in support of Ebonhawke than being the prime defender of Kryta. Then again, still there is no conclusive evidence for Logan to be of Ascalonian descent. I also doubt that NPCs will cater to the distinction to such a degree as players - remember, NPCs and PCs are different, so not all rules that applies to one will apply to the other. That doesn't mean they won't, mind you, but just not in the same form. -- Konig/talk 22:51, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

He said he's Krytan but that doesn't mean he doesn't have ascalonian ancestors. There's a long time between GW1 and 2 so maibe Thackeray got a kid (maibe with Gwen)and that kid moved to Kryta because of the awakening of the dragons.

if he is a decendant of gwen and keiran thakery, that only confirms 2 ascalonian ancestors, after 250 yrs, assuming about 1 new generation in his lineage ~25 years, that only comes to 2 of his great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents, give or take a few greats. i don't quite think that lets us call him ascalonian yet, the lineage could be far too diluted by now. not saying he isn't ascalonian, plenty of ppl in the settlement for the blood-line to be preserved, but still.Akbaroth 07:34, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

'Knight Errant'

,... What? --Naoroji 11:15, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

That was one of two titles of the first Logan concept art - the other was simply "Logan." Specifically this concept art, which depicts Logan as a more darker character (probably how he is in the book Ghosts of Ascalon, since it is said that everyone in the group of adventurers (who seem to be Divinity's Edge) have dark pasts and that the main human character is an indiana jones like character - I think we may see a transition from a darker knight to a "knight in shining armor" that we see in the second trailer). -- Konig/talk 14:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I always thought that the Knight with the black hair might be a different warrior, or maybe one of Logan's ancestors,... I mean, the guy has darker hair, and doesn't he appear in the teaser with an eye-patch? I've never seen Logan wear an eye-patch. --Naoroji 15:15, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

@Naoroji This is just speculation, but I don't think that "Knight Errant" is just a title given to Logan. Check this out. --Ravencroft0 03:10, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

"Errant," meaning wandering or roving, indicates how the knight-errant would typically wander the land in search of adventures to prove himself as a knight --Neil2250 , The Zoologist 10:40, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

So then could we interpret this to mean that Logan is a "Knight," the new warrior class then? Errant being there just for flavor? I hate speculating.... :D --Ravencroft0 11:35, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

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1. Knights ARE Warriors

2.Errant, like i stated above means wandering or roving

3. Knight Errant was the name of one of the first logan Pictures, not his class.

4. Yay i can count --Neil2250 , The Zoologist 12:44, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

good job. lol here you go. --Ravencroft0 05:56, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Hell yes.--Neil2250 , The Zoologist 15:00, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Knights aren't warriors. Knights are chivalric, whereas chivalry isn't usually applied to warriors (generically speaking, they're more ruthless). In fact, I think that the knight is this profession, based on the fact that Xia Taptara has separate concept art for a warrior and a knight.-- Shew ♠♠♠ 01:12, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I think Shew is right. ^^ After all, there IS quite a difference between the 2. --Amannelle 01:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we can be sure of the name of the new profession, but Logan is most likely not a warrior, but the second soldier class. -- Konig/talk 05:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Iam excited--Knighthonor 06:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

So warrior suddenly means barbarian now? 98.227.77.62 05:47, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

And where did you get this? Warrior is a fighter - a soldier and weaponmaster. Barbarians are not fighters, though the typical MMO has classified them as such (such as Diablo 2) but are uncivilized people. There is a vast difference. -- Konig/talk 07:18, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

GW2 Writers are...

fags for lady boys.

Also can't your character in GW2 be one of the descendants of your GW1 character and a hero of your choice. :P 121.54.92.58

I disagree, since Logan is really the only one that comes to mind, and its the same writers as GW1. As for the descendant thing - canonically? No. But you can in your own personal lore that has no real affect on the game, just how you view it. But why do I feel that a lot of people would go have their male characters screw Livia or Jora... -- Konig/talk 01:41, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

How about plot devices such as "inheritance" or ancestral heritage, to get things from GW1 to GW2? :D

Bring it to the suggestions page. Greater likelihood of your idea being seen. And Konig's right. This is your story, tell it however you want. If you want to be the great great great great grand??? of your current character, so be it. This is an RPG. Have fun with it. --Ravencroft0 11:36, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Decendents

By being decendents of Gwen and Lt. Thackeray does that mean hes the son or what?

A many greats grandson, yes. --Ravencroft0 07:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Which simply means that Lt. Thackeray and Gwen get it on at some point. You always need a romantic relationship in a story. Here, we have one from Eye of the North. The one from Prophecies was between Prince Rurik and Lady Althea. Factions was between the girl and that Imperial Guard in Ran Musu Gardens during that quest where you must seek out "treasure". Nightfall was basically everywhere. That is my opinion. If there are actually big relationships in Factions and Nightfall, let me know. I have not completed the games... Oh! And I almost forgot about Brother Mhenlo and Cynn, who can be found in every campaign and the expansion. A lot of people are frowning at the idea that Gwen and Lt. Thackeray have a relationship, but if Gwen did not at least find somebody to care about, there would be no descendants that we know of. The creators of the game would not want players to think that they had five children with a character just because they are appealing. This mostly refers to men. Stick with the storyline, but have some of your own ideas along the way that do not really affect it. Strictly speaking, this game is for teenagers, so you will always find the clumsy ones, but it is best to leave the past alone. Kroff

"...this game is for teenagers,..." Sure it is. --Ravencroft0 08:42, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

"Strictly speaking, this game is for teenagers," I'm not even going to comment on how ignorant and naive this is (Wait, I just did!). --Naoroji 08:51, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

ArenaNet appears to pride itself on making GW a Teen rated game. I believe that is what was meant by "this game is for teenagers." -- Konig/talk 10:31, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes. I was pointing out that teenagers will be playing the game and may get offended. I'm sorry if I offended you. Sometimes, I need to move around some words before it will be decided as normal and not "ignorant and naive". Kroff 23:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Odd wording

"Logan is torn by his dark past and great pain he feels in his heart, but he still manages to be more of a hero than he ever thought he would be." should be something more like "Logan is torn by his dark past. He feels great pain in his heart, but he still manages to be more of a hero than he ever thought he would be." CelleyBear 16:26, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to go ahead and change things in the future, we can always revert your edits or something if we don't agree. Your revision changes the meaning of the sentence, even if the original is a bit choppy. I would suggest just inserting "the" before "great pain". -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 01:02, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Logan with Staff

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Knighthonor (talk • contribs).

I think that's actually a butterfly/skill effect - there's several of the "head" of the staff. Not to mention he'd be wielding the thing weird... and we usually/always has been shown with a sword and shield. -- Konig/talk 03:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

He's not wielding the "staff" in the picture, it's on his back. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 04:16, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

That's definitely the Scepter of Orr. 04:18, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'll be damned. That DOES look like the scepter. CelleyBear 04:24, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Assuming it actually is Logan instead of a PC with that armor...how interesting. Perhaps we can assume the second soldier has some spellcasting ability? I'd love a "Magic Knight" type profession. Arshay Duskbrow 04:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

It'd be more interesting if it were a player character, as NPCs don't necessarily have professions. However, I doubt that a player can wear armor nearly identical a "legendary" NPC's armor. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 04:47, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

It's already been stated that most NPC gear will be available to players, and we've already seen Charr characters with the same armor as Rytlock. No reason to think it won't be obtainable. Arshay Duskbrow 04:58, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

No that is Logan. I got it from a playable video. I didnt show him with the NPC name on it.--Knighthonor 04:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Keep in mind that this is assuming its not some random pic from WoW... Aquadrizzt (talk)(contribs) 04:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

It is Logan though. This is part of the human tutorial, an NPC specifically names him. I'm pretty sure you can see in the Gametrailers videos, but I don't have the spare bandwidth to check. --hexal 08:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes. This is Logan. He can be seen in many videos right before confronting the elemental which is where this screenshot was taken. He is seen wielding sword and shield but changes to staff just before the cutscene. --Spigs 03:39, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Dark Past

Just from that you can tell this character has a rich history, presumably full of death, and if so, probably from the ones he loved and cared about like family and friends. But all we know about this character's history is he's a descendant of the great heroes Gwen and Keiran Thackeray, but that was over 250 years ago. That said, does anyone see a connection to the warrior seen in this concept art[1] titled as "our ancestors" in the teaser trailer? He and Logan both share similar armor styles with bird like designs, that I would assume have something to do with Ebonhawke. Could he possibly also be a descendant of Gwen and Keiran as well, and the grandfather or great grandfather of Logan? If so, could it be possible that this character died in the battle against Zhaitan's minions (shown in the trailer), and Logan's dark past is linked to the death of this character. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but if this is true it could be the reason Logan joined Destiny's Edge and wanted to fight against the dragons (to avenge the family taken from him). Aquatis Magicion 16:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I would've guessed lost his friend due to things he blames himself of, or even killed him, but this is good stuff aswell, hadn't noticed the similarity between trailer guy and Logan, good find :)--Markisbeest 16:40, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Well actually I just found out that the wings on Logan's armor are because he's part of the Seraph. So judging on that the guy from the trailer could have been part of the Seraph, but the bird on his armor reminds me more of a hawk, for Ebonhawke.:) I still thinks there's some kind of connection between these characters, not to mention that right after it shows the trailer guy fighting, its shows Ebonhawke then zooms in to show what people call the "dark Logan". Aquatis Magicion 17:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I find it likely that the one-eyed guy is an ancestor of Logan - considering the similarities - but as you said that armor is of the Seraph (seemingly on both sides, as when Zhaitan attacked, he attacked and still is attacking Kryta, not Ascalon). But I find it impossible that his ancestor is linked to his "dark past." The dark past is likely going to either be explained or the main part of the second book "Edge of Destiny." It may be linked to why Snaff is no longer part of Destiny's Edge in GW2. -- Konig/talk 17:48, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Well you can't necessarily say its impossible, because anything is possible from what we know so far. Really its possible that Dougal Keane is related maternally to Logan Thackeray, although I highly doubt its technically possible. Farther more with his ancestry, I don't think its the reason for his dark past, but I'm sure it had an indirect effect on it. But yeah, "Edge of Destiny" will probably give us the full story on each of the members, and isn't Snaff only not currently part of Destiny's Edge because no one is currently part of Destiny's Edge? Aquatis Magicion 21:29, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

We all are bound to have one hooker ancestor or one murderer/rapist/pedophile ancestor. I don't think it bothers any of us that much. Why would it bother Logan if his ancestor died against Zhaitan's forces? Only thing I can think of would be if Logan saw his reanimated corpse and had to fight it. Like I said, I find it impossible (never said it is, just that it is in my opinion). The only kind of ancestor which would lead to a dark past would be having someone like Hitler as an ancestor, really. Besides, dark past - with every way it is used (even used to describe Dougal's past, in reference to the encounter in Ascalon City) is about a person's personal past. -- Konig/talk 22:13, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Your looking at it in a different perspective than I am. I'm thinking that if this guy is his grandfather, maybe his death caused grief for his father, there for indirectly effecting how he was raised. Perhaps Logan never had the chance to live a childhood because he was raised to fight since he was young (no, I'm not making reference to Michael Jackson or Sparta). Maybe even he was told stories of his grandfather, "who bravely lead humans against the most powerful evil that threatened Tyria", and once he found out about his unfair death he was bothered. Or maybe even his father/mother died the same way as his grandfather? And that some of his family was taken this way he was bothered? Who knows, but you see what I'm saying? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aquatis Magicion (talk • contribs).

Being a descendant of Gwen (who was clearly insane) and Keiran (who had to be mad to marry Gwen), I fear for Logan's sanity. Ramei Arashi 17:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Suggest adding

Logan Thackeray: “Salvation is something you must stand and protect; it doesn’t come just because you are looking for it.” Born in Kryta, raised in Divinity’s Reach, Captain Logan Thackeray is a commander in the Seraph guard. They stand guard over their people, defending the last human kingdom; a kingdom that looks to their heroic young Captain for inspiration and hope. Logan has never failed his people, or his Queen Jennah, the last of the Krytan royal line. He fights for her, his loyalty and stalwart courage providing a shield between Kryta and her enemies. Where danger threatens, Logan does not turn away, but faces it with the determination of a man who knows that he is the only thing standing between the thing he loves… and its utter destruction.

From Kitchen Sink post

The "Holy Warrior" that everyone's talking about...

I think I'm convinced Thackeray might just be a "Holy Warrior" type now that I saw a video (hoping this is the right link) on Wartower Spotlight. It's in German. but Thackeray is shown using a skill that causes a blue light to rise over himself before running into battle. Seems holy/monk-like and not-so-warrior to me. Has anyone else noticed this? --Spigs 20:11, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

In fact yes, he buffs himself. But we can't see what is this buff. On top of that, if it's some holy thing, it can't be a new prof. And on top of the top, NPC are not tied to player's profs like in GW1 now.--Qral 20:18, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

It appears he buffs the other NPCs as well imo. Also, I'm aware of NPC profs, but still, I don't understand why the "holy" thing is ruled out as part of a profession. --Spigs 20:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I believe it is because there is no 1 deity for all the races to warship. Venom20 21:11, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Fixed your link so that it works. Anyways, I don't know what Qral's problem was, but just because it is holy doesn't mean it can't be a profession... Anyways, there isn't any reason for us to think that it isn't some new profession. We've already seen pictures of what looks like "holy warriors" and although I don't like the idea of a profession like that, it seems to be the way they'll go. Eive 21:50, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the link. I tried different things but it was being fussy.
Anyway, I think the problem people have with the idea of a "holy warrior" is the HOLY part just because people correlate anything holy to the power of a god- in this case, the human gods. Really, "holy" magic would be no different to the other races than any other type of magic. I don't see the difference. To the humans, any power is the gift of the gods, and to the other races, they have their own explanations of magic. --Spigs 01:00, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

The problem with your link was that you used | to name it, but because it was external all you need to do is have a space. Anyways, I don't see why people would have a problem like that, considering the same dilemma would exist with Elementalists. Eive 03:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm just not sure that a magic specifically labeled "holy" would be suitable for non-believing races. But this conversation has been had over and over already so I won't prolong it here. Thackeray might represent a new profession, especially if not all NPCs are uniquely tied to one profession. (I think that's how they stated it, actually. I don't remember a statement saying that absolutely no NPCs will have professions.) --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 03:20, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

My bad. Been gone from the wiki from quite some time and never was exactly experienced with links.
I never meant to suggest the name for it should be "holy". The problem with the word "holy" is that it can be interchangeable and interpreted different ways. What I'm trying to get at is that it may look and be considered "holy" to humans, but to other races, it could appear just as any other magic.
Example: Dark Magic is attributed to Grenth for humans while it is just considered magic to others. --Spigs 03:36, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Might I also add this. I know it's just concept art, but it SEEMS to be Logan healing/buffing Eir. --Spigs 22:17, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I hope you're right. I want my paragon back damnit. <3 Ruse (talk) 22:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

@Spigs: That image was used for the death and resurrection blog post, and I figured it was in reference to the new revival system. --ஸ ķ̌ɎǾshĺ 00:08, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Also (and I just noticed this myself) see the stone hands grasping at the enemy? It must be an elementalist, so who knows who the "knight" is. --ஸ ķ̌ɎǾshĺ 00:09, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Nice find. The revival thought crossed my mind, actually. But the Grasping Earth idea was quite brilliant. Still, maybe "knights" have better reviving skills? :D Probably not... But hey, Speculation. --Spigs 03:08, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Probably...

Logan is probably not a warrior since he uses the blue aura magic thing in the book. so I guess he's from the unrevealed soldier profession. Besides, don't you think he's kind of an asshole for ditching the group for his GF right before they took down an ELDER DRAGON??!! I don't sympathize him as much as i used to --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 79.183.6.57 (talk).

He's just your typical loverboy. Also, sign your comments with 4 tildes (~~~~) -- Konig/talk 21:14, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Shes not his actual GF... yet. -- Ocarinamaster 17:47, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

His Hair

Am I the only one who dislikes it? (I know A-net is still able to change it) but this has been bugging me for a while I really love Logan and he's already one of my favorite characters from GW2 but still his hair :/ (texture) --The Holy Dragons 16:05, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

At least you couldn't sound more fanboy. :D I agree though, his hair should somehow also cover his forehead, without obstructing his vision. lolBiebercut - Infinite - talk 17:30, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Logan's your favorite? You must not have read EoD. I think that's turned Logan from an "omg so cool<3" character to a "wtf? screw you!" character (that is, people's opinions of him). It's kinda funny since how he's 100% reasonable for his kind of character. And if you have read EoD, then I disagree with you but damn it I respect you for liking an easily hated guy! -- Konig/talk 18:51, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't mind his hair. Every other aspect about him I dislike however. Eive 19:21, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I've read EOD and still think he's awesome, though he has some flaws...--The Holy Dragons 21:13, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I think "some" is an understatement. :P -- Konig/talk 23:43, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

In need of an archive?

This page is getting to be a bit long, and has conversations dating all the way back to Dec. 09. A large portion of it is profession speculation and irrelevant assumptions (Gwen & Keiran) that were confirmed a long time ago. Not sure about the requirements for an archive, but it seems appropriate for this page. Eive 05:59, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Done. - Infinite - talk 22:50, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

he had not choice

He was under a spell. He's not going to refuse his queen because he can't. Ramei Arashi 17:30, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Yea the name of it was called love--Elemental Phantom 17:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Though it seemed that the bond was more for her to able to call to him, not force him to come. He went both because he is a loverboy and because of the bond (though, and I'm sure you'll all agree, if it means bringing down an Elder Dragon I'm sure it'd be worth Jennah's life a thousand times over). 136.159.72.4 18:16, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Overall, yes it would be worth Jennah's life. But for humanity? It wouldn't. The loss of their leader in the situation they're in would mean the end of their race on Kryta. You got the political troubles (even hinted at in the book) which would likely become a civil war with Jennah's death, and then you got the centaurs which would have a very strong push into currently human-controlled lands (can you smell "mass massacres"? I sure can. Smell bad.). Not only that, but the beginnings of a charr/human treaty wouldn't have formed should humanity survive.

For humanity, Logan made the right choice. For everyone else, he made a bad choice. -- Konig/talk 18:22, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

He is a man, Jennah is a woman, Rytlock is a huge-felid-beast. He didn't make a choice, his penis did. And I'm happy they couldn't kill Kralkatorrik, because Kralkatorrik is MINE. Bitter 19:19, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Even though it'd be a mass slaughter I do kind of think it would be worth it. One race for the greater good and all that? (given, I'm only using "gamer" mentality, I would be compelled to bolt too if my own special someone was in a dire situation) 68.144.77.185 22:30, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Although I still disagree with Logan's choice, if Jennah would have died, then we could never end Foefire. Eive 22:38, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, from what we know of the plotline, it would seem that our character becomes part of Destiny's Edge in reforging it so at least we'll be able to put everything right in the end, eh? 68.144.77.185 22:52, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Except for the fact that Destiny's Edge is a guild, and unless we can enter multiple guilds in GW2, this choice would leave us outside of TRUE guilds. And yes, I am unsigned etc, just bring mah 2 cents to the bank.

Logan went to his queen so that we would have a Guild Wars 2 with 3 expansions, not 2(due to a dead dragon). That still doesn't change the fact that's he's a dick(at least thinks with), or the author's desperate attempt to come up with a twist/ plot device to set the scene for GW2. 220.255.1.132 10:31, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

why 2 or 3? there are 5 elder dragons: Zhaitan, Kralkatorrik, Jormag, bubbles, Primordus. (this is assuming we fight 1 dragon each campaign though) --The Holy Dragons 12:25, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

and thats not including Elona and Cantha, its funny once you realise that he didnt actually do anything to save her, she saved herself and could have done so from the begining AND killing the dragon might have made the corruption go away Getefix 21:39, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I really hope they don't go the oh-so-popularly hypothesized "one dragon per expansion" (note, there won't be campaigns in GW2, I believe it was said long ago). That'd make for fairly boring plots, and not much in terms of locations since most dragons are either in or pretty near to Tyria - one region for one dragon, at best. I expect them to arrive in the same manner that Sorrow's Furnace did. Konig/talk 01:56, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Guardian

so that's why I like him :D --The Holy Dragons 10:38, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

-thumbs up- Infinite - talk 13:33, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Trivia

Just making a note here before I forget. There is a parralel with Keiran and Logan in their professions and the roles their characters play in both games. Keiran's change to become a paragon further highlights this fact (in paralell with Logan as a guardian). In an interview with massively (http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/01/31/behind-the-scenes-with-the-guild-wars-2-guardian-massivelys-in/) they talk about how the guardian profession developed from the paragon - from a lore stand point. There's another mention of the wing shield he always wears and it's development from the paragon wings. 114.78.26.246 08:10, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

The wing shield is merely part of the Seraph. That's irrelevant to his profession and doesn't hold to a Keiran mirror. And considering Keiran is the ancestor of Logan... the mirroring was probably made intentionally. -- Konig/talk 10:48, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

That's what the giant paragraph above you says. 58.111.94.155 11:12, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

For those of you who have heard of "The Last Lecture," Randy's Pausch's two boys are named Logan and Dylan. Do you think the Thackerays are a reference? 03:32, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Could be. That was a really good lecture; very captivating. - Lucian 3:34, 10 March 2011 (UTC)