Talk:Eir Stegalkin

Giving Tyria a Voice

More like a note or heads-up, Eir / Jocelyn Blue is missing from this video. Markus Clouser 03:20, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Yay

The norn know how to make me :3 Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:20, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Norse Mythology

The wikipedia article [1] suggests that in norse mythology Eir is a Valkyrie and/or Goddess, not a Norn. I will now correct this in the page.

Eir Stegalkin: “Everyone bleeds. Even stone has a heart, and it can be found if you know how to cut deeply.” One of the most famous heroes among the lodges of the Norn, Eir is an artist and a tactician. She understands the mind of her enemy, how to provoke it, how to encourage it–and how to take advantage of its weakness. With her companion wolf, Garm, she roams the Shiverpeak mountains, searching for meaning within the snow’s silence. Eir is a visionary, guided by the Spirits of the Wild to shape beauty and wisdom from rough-hewn stone. She can be found where the winds blow frost over the highest peaks, and the norn tell tales of ancient lore around a fire’s glow. Ruse (talk) 02:17, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Suggest adding

Eir Stegalkin: “Everyone bleeds. Even stone has a heart, and it can be found if you know how to cut deeply.” One of the most famous heroes among the lodges of the Norn, Eir is an artist and a tactician. She understands the mind of her enemy, how to provoke it, how to encourage it–and how to take advantage of its weakness. With her companion wolf, Garm, she roams the Shiverpeak mountains, searching for meaning within the snow’s silence. Eir is a visionary, guided by the Spirits of the Wild to shape beauty and wisdom from rough-hewn stone. She can be found where the winds blow frost over the highest peaks, and the norn tell tales of ancient lore around a fire’s glow.

From Kitchen Sink post Ruse (talk) 02:17, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

The new bits of information have been included already. -- Aspectacle  02:52, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Sort of, but it's paraphrased, pared down and doesn't include the quote. I thought the quotes were very telling from each, and one of the best parts of those tidbits. Ruse (talk) 02:56, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind including the quote from Eir on the page (somewhere). But I don't think there is a lot of value in including the whole paragraph on the page. Mostly because I feel the purpose of the wiki is to summarise all of the information on Eir so that someone interested in Eir doesn't have to read pages and pages of efflusive quotes to find all of the interesting information tidbits about her they might not already know. -- Aspectacle  03:20, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough :) Maybe a quotes subsection, like we do with GW1 heroes? I'm not super comfortable directly editing, that's why I put this stuff here first. Ruse (talk) 03:26, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't really have any good ideas, but your suggestion sounds like a good place to start. Though the one little quote will probably be lonely for a while. If we get some good quotes from 'edge of destiny' perhaps they could go there too? -- Aspectacle  03:34, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Those subsections are for in-game quotes - this is not in-game (yet). Merely paraphrasing is good for now. I would also greatly suggest against adding quotes from the book, for the reason I stated for why not to add the quote from the article. -- Konig/talk 03:43, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

idk, Konig - I don't think we should used GWW as a gold standard for what is done here - there are more sources of information than just the game this time around. I agree with Ruse that these pithy quotes which we've got from videos/interviews are more interesting than most information we have on these guys. The 'drip stupid' quote from Zojja comes to mind and I think it'd be a shame for that to just disappear into the mists of memory just because we're not sure how to cope with it because it isn't from the game. -- Aspectacle  04:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I think the quotes would be fine to quote, but verbatim quoting the rest of the interview description would probably be a bit preemptive. --ஸ ķ̌yǾshĺ 04:38, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Since general consensus seems to be okay with quotes, I'll pop those onto the pages when I get a bit of time. Unless someone else beats me to it. Ruse (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Picture

Screenshot from PAX East 2011 if you guys want to add it to the page. I kind of like just the concept art. Cirdan 05:39, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Not all that clear image, tbh. Concept art is better due to the blurriness. -- Konig/talk 06:48, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Less Popular

Why is she the less popular in the team? I mean she is missing from the Voices of Tyria trailer & also on the main site's 'Presenting the all new Gamescon trailer' --MageMontu 17:44, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

It's not that she's less popular. It's that she's TOO popular. She has to hide from her fans in hopes that the others will then get fair representation and appreciation. All part of her plan to make Destiny's Edge's constituent members equals again so that they can once more come together and rejoin the fight! 68.144.99.199 22:51, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Which animal spirit

Anyone know which animal spirit Eir worships most and turns into? 129.255.224.169 22:56, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Wolf. On her left shoulder there's a metalworked wolf head emblem/brooch, her ranger familiar is a wolf (Garm), etc. TiffanySmith.8216 (talk) 19:20, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

She has a son?

According to this new F&F story line, Braham Eirsson is, well, Eir's son! DRAMA BOMB. 173.65.156.92:49472 17:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

How old can she be?

How old do the norn live? And how old can Eir be? In human standards, at least 40, I'd say (Braham doesn't look like a teenager). If they live longer than humans, then maybe double that. --Alad (talk) 02:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

"A norn might live to 120 and maintain their good health and vitality for a long time, though very few die of old age.[1] Norn typically have light or pale skin, while those living in Lion's Arch have their skin tanned by the sun. According to Kranxx, norn generate a considerable amount of body heat at the slightest exertion. " -from the norn page - Zesbeer 03:02, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. :) So she's probably 50-60. --Alad (talk) 08:57, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

50-60 would still be considered young in norn standards. I'd say it's rather rare for a human to live much older than 60 years old in Tyria, so the norn essentially live twice as long. Eir is probably closer to 100 years old considering how Rytlock and some others refer to her as old and given her personality, wisdom and knack for strategy. It doesn't seem she's as old as Knut Whitebear, though, who is the grandson of Asgeir Dragonrender. Assuming Asgeir was at his prime (about 70 years old) when Jormag awoke and that he already had a child (assuming it's a norn thing to prove themselves to raise children, as Eir herself puts it), all of that just might fit in the lifespan of a norn. Mediggo (talk) 13:52, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Judging from the short conversation on Talk:Gwen's Grave, humans in Tyria actually get to be pretty crazy old. 14:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Living old doesn't really seem to affect human family culture, though (we've seen Andrew (old man, around 50-60s) and Petra (young woman, about 20). It'd seem folly for human parents to raise children if they were already close to forties. Since Gwen was born in 1060, it'd make absolutely no sense for her to have a child any later than 1090 (Foefire and all that stuff), and even then there's the question if she was already pregnant before Keiran went missing, though it is still possible for her to have remarried while keeping the Thackeray name and have children with a different spouse. But as Justice commented on that other talk page, it doesn't simply match out at all and doesn't qualify as a trustworthy source on human lifespan, family culture or anything, IMO. :P Mediggo (talk) 14:32, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Braham

I don't know what the customs are on this wiki but shouldn't there be a mention of Braham being her son? --213.113.118.208 23:01, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Death

Someone should mention she dies during HoT storyline. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.149.76.108 (talk • contribs) at 03:42, 26 October 2015 (UTC).

Redux

The article needs to be changed as of her death. The F. Prince (talk) 11:52, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Check under the second spoiler tag. It's a show-hide thing. It's there. Not a big section, given that she has such a minimal presence there, but it's there. Konig 16:52, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Surname

Does anyone know how the name "Stegalkin" came to be? I don't see a meaning for it anywhere, and I'm assuming it's not named after a parent, since it does not seem to come from her known parent, Einar Cliffstrider, who is likely to be the more famous of the two. - Gathouria (talk) 01:39, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Given how nordic names work, it would be "Kin of Stegall". Which apparently means "someone who lived by a steep uphill path". So, kin of someone who lived up a steep uphill path. Though that's probably every norn tbh. Konig (talk) 02:24, 5 September 2018 (UTC)