User talk:Tolkyria/Sandbox2

Skirmish reward pip tables

These are nicely made! I think a table works better than text when it comes to displaying the icons; my only concern is the amount of space it takes up. I'd been toying with horizontal designs last night, but I couldn't come up with something that looked decent, so vertical is probably fine so long as the icons aren't too big. Maybe force the table of contents to show on the page so readers who just want to see the rewards can skip more easily. --Idris (talk) 14:31, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Yes, these seven icons from wvw ranks are making it way to huge, i'll try it with px=40 as soon I have some time (currently playing, not gonna leave my spot with all these queues). Another solution would be to use the grouped icons, i.e. as they are displayed in the wvw panel. So we have the wvw rank category, then "seven" icons as one icon and in the next column the description as a list with seven bullets. But it would be definitly nicer to see all icons seperatly. PS: Feel free to copy/paste some of my tables or even add a new one in my Sandbox. -Tolkyria (talk) 15:13, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Grouped icons is a good idea. I've added a new design that groups them in a row above the list of descriptions (table 5); what do you think? --Idris (talk) 16:42, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

It would makes sense for the first two categories but in my opinion not for the last three, the icons seem a little bit lonely. There I would prefer them left to the text, not above. But counter-question: What do you think about Table 1b -Tolkyria (talk) 16:52, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

I think 1b is a more compact solution, but it looks a bit messy with the extra headers stuffed to the right. What do you think of 5b? --Idris (talk) 17:05, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, there's only one column with the values in the top two but the two columns (icon and values) for the bottom three doesn't fit so well. I think its like my 1b, whatever we will do to get it more compact, it will become a little messy. Additionally I would get rid of the blue background behind the icons, see 5a, but thats quickly done. -Tolkyria (talk) 17:11, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Edit: It should be somehow uniform, so switching style during the table decreases the readability, also counting for table 1b. -Tolkyria (talk) 17:13, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Personally I prefer the blue backgrounds, but I don't mind if you'd prefer white. I agree that the three +1 columns look messy, but adding a border to those cells, so they match the upper two sections, might clean them up a bit. --Idris (talk) 17:16, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Adding borders might work. My last try for now: Table 1c, removed the inner header, now there's an additional empty field. -Tolkyria (talk) 17:23, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Added borders to 5b. Not sure it's an improvement tbh. As for 1c... my knee-jerk reaction was that I preferred 1b, but on reflection I think 1c has the potential to be better. The trouble is, with all the cells being white, it's harder for the brain to organise the information at a glance, so I made a copy of 1c with the criteria column in blue (table 1d). I think it looks great like that. --Idris (talk) 17:44, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunatly I think 5b is still too inconsistent. Table 1d looks really good for me, the blue first column, that's what the table needed. About the size, still thinking about 45px, 40px too small to read, 50px to large for the table. Maybe we should just add it to the Skirmish reward track page and see if someone else wants to change it. -Tolkyria (talk) 18:15, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Agreed. I'm still fond of 5a tbh, but 1d is probably the better solution. Go ahead and add it to the article and leave a link to this sandbox on the talk page. --Idris (talk) 18:21, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Edit: Actually, what would you think about 5a with the criteria column in blue? I think it would balance out the "lonlieness" of the single-icon cells. --Idris (talk) 18:28, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Put them both on the top to see the difference, both are looking good; it's not getting easier to decide. -Tolkyria (talk) 18:41, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

I say we just post them both on the main article's talk page, then, and see what the consensus is. --Idris (talk) 18:42, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

That's not possible, for me a wiki-page has to be close on its own, there shouldn't be a choice, that's whats talk pages are for. But I would go for yours now, looking at mine naively, I have difficulties to get the values of each tier, extracting them for the icons is not the ideal method, I can add them, but still, your table combines the icons but still keeps the bullet list character. So may I ask you to add yours to the Skirmish reward track? Thanks for working together, it was fun. -Tolkyria (talk) 18:52, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Sure, if that's what you'd prefer. Thank you too, I enjoyed the collaboration. :) --Idris (talk) 19:11, 10 June 2017 (UTC)