User talk:Kenji03/Archive 2018 - 2020

List of weapons

Hey Kenji, could you let me know what your intent for One-handed Weapons by level and similar pages is? At one point you had the weapons broken down by level on List of karma merchant items/One-handed weapons, but then you changed your mind and made a separate page. G R E E N E R 15:55, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

My intent is to make the weapons sortable by level, but since it looks a little overwhelming I moved it to a separate page so the original looks less daunting. I've edited a lot of wiki's over the years and have found that having separate pages for the efficient, yet undesirable to look at, is preferable for most users.Kenji03 (talk) 00:50, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

We could also see about having the table output the level of the item, so that it's sortable by that level. G R E E N E R 01:14, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

That would be preferable, but I have no idea how to do that, as the current table is only able to sort by ranges (min level to max level). Still, I don't see the harm in having more pages on the site, so long as they are organized in such a way that doesn't generate confusion. Kenji03 (talk) 05:09, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

More is definitely not always better. Having a concise set of clearly focused pages which give readers useful information is preferable. One-handed Weapons by level, as it stands, is not only misleading in its claim (those are not all of the one-handed weapons available), it is redundant with List of karma merchant items/One-handed weapons. Doing a slight adaptation to what we already have is preferable to having two pages doing the same job.

I've put out a request to coders far more skilled than I am to see if the tables can be updated to include levels, in line with what your initial work on that page was trying to accomplish. G R E E N E R 22:44, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I agree that having the table sortable by level would solve my issue, but your problem seems to be with the name of the page vs the content of it. I made a page I would find useful -- a page to sort one-handed weapons that can be purchased by karma vendors by level. If you want to rename the page, feel free to do so. Otherwise, I fail to see why this is a problem.Kenji03 (talk) 14:53, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Events triggered by Player Interaction

[[:Category:Events triggered by Player Interaction]] isn't needed as this is already identified by the start_npc parameter in the infobox. We would do the category in the infobox template anyways if we were adding it.--Relyk ~ talk < 07:52, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm a new player, I cannot make heads or tales of the system currently in place on this wiki. Therefore I am adding a category to lump together every quest that a player can start -- as it is not apparent (at all) when looking for this kind of information elsewhere on the wiki Kenji03 (talk) 08:58, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

What would you want? We have better ways of presenting the information than using category functionality. We can make a page listing all events with start NPCs if we wanted to.--Relyk ~ talk < 09:44, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

In my experience, having multiple ways (be them "better" or not) to find information on a Wiki is a good thing. What is the harm in having multiple pages or categories so long as the end users can find the content they desire? On the note of something I'd want, it would be far more work to modify the events page with which ones can be triggered by the player, and which ones are reliant on dynamic events. Furthermore, organizing them by zone is less efficient than simply adding categories of what zone each event belongs in.Kenji03 (talk) 10:49, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm still not clear on what information you want to see. Can you demo want kind of information you want to see on a page? Do you want to differentiate between NPC-initiated events and events that start immediately as part of event chains? Or do we want something more general like categorizing event trigger types and event trigger conditions? If you want a list of all events requiring player interaction (pretty much NPC-initiated triggers), you can do something like User:Relyk/SMW/startnpc.--Relyk ~ talk < 22:31, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Just to chime in - what would be the purpose of having them all listed in one place? If a player is interested in how to start an event, surely they would visit the event article itself, not a category listing all of the events triggered by an NPC, no? —Ventriloquist 11:39, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

I, as a new player, wanted to find events I could start: events I had control over when they occured. Going to the events page presented me with a wall of text. Just a huge, disorganized, jumbled mess of events with no rhyme or reasons to them. On other wikis and wikias, categories are used to allower players to find events similar to ones they want. Now... I am still unclear on what it is that you have against categories or against extra pages on this wikiKenji03 (talk) 14:53, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Reverting Your Edits to Grandmaster Craftsman Hobbs

Hey there! Just wanted to let you know why I reverted your edits to said page. It messed a bit with the table as such (formatting), particularly since they are ordered as they appear in-game. We usually tend to represent information like it appears in the game, especially concerning legendary weapons. Also, I think most people will know what kind of weapons the volumes belong to, and what kind of weapons they are — if not, they can click the links.

That said, please don't be discouraged from continuing to edit on the wiki! We value everyone's work, even if it's not possible to keep it sometimes. talk 19:23, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

New players won't, so I'll be keeping the order but adding my comments back Kenji_03 (talk) 04:54, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Comments are not part of a template, therefore they shouldn't be there. Clicking links is a part of using the Interweb therefore there is no reason to add redundant information to vendor table. ❄The F. Prince❄ (talk) 08:17, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Heya, So I can understand the reasoning for wanting the name of each weapon time in the table, but frankly it doesn't have it's place there and it looks more confusing than anything. My personal recommendations.

* Change the table to have an extra row with the weapon type (not a huge fan of this, since it should then be also added to each other table because it's hard to justify adding it to one but not the other).

* Although there is already a link to precursor weapons in the NPC's description, a more explicit link to Precursor_weapon#List_of_precursor_weapons could be made right above the tables to help players with an already very descriptive table.

So yeah, personally I'd prefer option 2 over the implementation in a table, that being said. I have a hard time seeing how players get to that page and have a total of 0 idea which name represents which weapon. I can see them wanting a reminder between 1-2 (which funky name is the spear vs harpoon), but a quick click answers that. -Darqam 09:39, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

I went with option 2, just to the page itself since that looked prettier and I usually get the short bow and the longbow mixed up so couldn't hurt. Not to mention people probably skim past his opening blurb so the link to precursor weapons fits nicely at the top of his inventory. - Do_odleplex 00:47, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I'm making the link a little more direct but this will make things a lot easier for new players (as opposed to those who have been playing this game daily for 6 years).Kenji_03 (talk) 00:52, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

6 years? Hah I wish, I made a mistake in 2012 not listening to my boyfriend to pick up the game; I only started playing in 2015 as a Free to Play. - Do_odleplex 00:55, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

I was making that more as a point towards some of this Wiki's users who act like anyone who doesn't understand the wiki in it's current format is wrong or an idiot. Unlike most wikis (and even Wikipedia), this wiki is quite strongly against changes to it's existing format. As if the offending users here think "only an idiot wouldn't get the complexities of over 80,000 different articles" instead of recognizing how daunting a new MMO can be to even veteran MMO players. Kenji_03 (talk) 01:03, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

BTW if you want to test things out on the wiki, I suggest using our sandbox page. Cheers! - Do_odleplex 01:09, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Noted, thank you. But I will mostly be editing the wiki in the moment, I already have a full time job. So I'm not taking editing this wiki too seriously Kenji_03 01:11, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Runic Slayer Pauldrons - unlock from Ebon Shoulder box

Given you edited that page a few minutes ago, have you got a screenshot of the game messages chat log? That seems really weird if it unlocks that. -Chieftain Alex 18:49, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Unlocking the full armor also unlocking the skin is weird to you? https://ibb.co/2cXGVw8 Kenji_03 18:51, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Ebon Pauldrons =/= Runic Slayer Pauldrons. DJemba (talk) 18:55, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm only seeing the single line "You receive 1 Shoulders of the Ebon Vanguard Choice Chest" on there. I can't see anything saying you received the Runic Shoulders too. If you're talking about wardrobe skins, when you unlock a skin ingame there is usually a chat log line "Skin Unlocked: <name>" line too. Scratching my head here a bit. -Chieftain Alex 19:02, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

I've unlocked all 3 Ebon shoulders skins but none of the Runic Slayer skins. Here's a screenshot --BuffsEverywhere (talk) 19:11, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

I Got the two confused, my bad Kenji_03 03:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC)