User talk:ていせい

こんにちは！じゃあ、日本語をはなすのがへたです。-- Shew 13:04, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, no you don't! --Naoroji 15:35, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I just did!-- Shew 15:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

驚きましたわ！　Ｒｅｃｅｎｔ　Ｃｈａｎｇｅｓ　を見ていたら、日本語の名前があって。。。とにかく、アメリカ英語版ギルドワーズＷｉｋｉへようこそ！！　私は、普通に日本語で話せるんで、質問とかあったら、遠慮無く堂々と私に日本語で聞いてください！　--Lania 17:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

This is making me sad :(. --Naoroji 17:41, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

poor Nao D: --The Holy Dragons 17:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Why does it make you sad? こんな事で悲しがるの？何故っすか？ --Lania 18:23, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

No, I don't want to learn Japanese. Lol. But still xD. I would DEFINITELY want to learn Chinese, though. Might have to ask User:Pumpkin pie, hehe. --Naoroji 19:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) おお、他に日本語が出来る人がいるんだ。＾＾ちょっとビックリw --★KOKUOU★ 20:36, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

みなさん、よろしくおねがいします。アカウントを作成したのは昨日なのに、コメントが既にこんないっぱい送られてくれました。私はちょっと驚きましたよ。 --ていせい 11:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Account name

Hi, welcome to the wiki. Sorry to be a hassle, but your account name needs changing so that it uses Latin/English characters only. As an English-language site, easy access to users is necessary. You're welcome to use Japanese on your userpage and this talk page (or other users' talk pages), but the account name needs to be in English.

It shouldn't be too complicated to do: register a new account, then tell me here using both accounts that you've done so (to make sure both belong to you), and I'll move this account's contribution list over to the new one. pling 16:00, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

On a side note, anyone capable of it should put that requirement on the registration page, innit. - Infinite - talk 18:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm confused. I feel like I'm being punished for following the rules humbly. If the registration page accepts the given nickname and there are no restrictions visible, how can you tell if you're doing it wrong? People say, "If it's not illegal, it's legal".

I didn't choose this nickname to cause trouble to other people. I also like interacting with other people, and this nickname that I've used almost everywhere (where it's allowed) has never been a problem to the people I've interacted with. If people don't find this nickname offensive, abusive or feel bad about it, where is the problem? And I feel comfortable using this nickname in my contributions.

However, there's one thing I would like to suggest. If there is a need for an "easy access" to my page, couldn't you just reserve the nickname "Teisei" (to prevent people from taking that nickname) and create a redirect page (Teisei -> ていせい)? After this, you could type either "http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/User:Teisei" or "http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/User:ていせい" and in both cases you would find yourself on this page (ていせい).

For example, if you take a look at this link "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/日本", it redirects to the page "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan". In my case, it would be the reverse way, Eng->Jap. --ていせい 23:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that 99% of the people using this wiki can't read Japanese. They won't see your name and connect it with "Teisei." 23:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I still don't see the problem. It doesn't help much if you see a Polish, Spanish, Indian, Arabian, Japanese or Korean name if you can't read it or don't know what it means, even if the letters were Latin/English. Once people install Asian fonts, they'll be able to see my nickname anyway, and remembering my nickname (even if they don't know how to read it) is the most important thing. If people are interested in something, they will find a way to reach it, even if it is a user with "difficult-to-read" nickname. And as you see, there are already some people who have "found" me and haven't complained about my nickname. If you are permissive and open minded, you shouldn't see a problem here. --ていせい 23:46, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I don't see a problem with the name. Like that Aatraxesesasesasaxas dude. You don't read the name, you copy-paste it or just not use the name when adressing. It's visually there and you recognize the name itself by image, not text. (Disregarding the fact that my Japanese is basic.) And a little rebellion in me says these minor things *should* be allowed, but that's besides the point. Also EC'd, the latin-characters foreign language example is pretty spot on. - Infinite - talk 23:50, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Exactly, you got my point. I think that being able to click my nickname in my signature (even if people don't have the fonts and see blocks instead) in order to get on my user page is enough for most people. My intention is not to make it hard for people to get here. I just happen to like this name (and people around me like it too), that's all. --ていせい 00:01, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, I could see this becoming a problem in the future, though. I'm venturing a guess that less than 80% of the users on GW2W have Asian fonts installed, and while you may be the only user with a user name using Asian characters now, if there were others, everyone's signature on talk pages would look the same to those without the appropriate fonts installed. This could lead to confusion, and having to click on signatures just to see who left a particular comment is pretty inconvenient. Not to mention, people that can't read them may have significant difficulty tyring to differentiate between multiple users. In such cases, I'd have to agree that Teisei would be better for this English language wiki. --★KOKUOU★ 00:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Like Emmisary, The Emmisary? I find the look-alike argument a bit too simple, tbh. - Infinite - talk 00:21, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't want to argue with people. If people see blocks instead of normal characters, they should realize that they're missing something. "Seeing blocks" is not even a real problem. For example, users of the most popular Linux distributions, and the newer versions of Windows (Vista/7) and OSX, are able to see my nickname by default (they come with preinstalled Asian fonts.) If people for some reason use Windows XP or older operating system, I think that most of them won't even bother buying Guild Wars 2, let alone joining the Wiki. By the time Guild Wars 2 comes out, most potential customers will already have systems that have preinstalled Asian fonts. --ていせい 00:29, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

This isn't an issue of being able to recognize your signature or not. It's the fact that it's nigh impossible to reach your user or talk page without a link because only a tiny percentage of people can type it into the search box. You can't expect people to go searching for a contribution to click on when they want to contact you or look you up. 00:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

If they want to contact me, for some reason, via the search box, they will find a way. If they give up midway, I consider the matter not being of greater importance. If they take the effort of finding me, I'm sure they have important things to say. Besides, I'm not sure if I want everyone to come to my discussion page and spam it full. --ていせい 00:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

erm... no. Danny on pvx&gww's talk page is a massive pain to reach because of the n's. I actually have to search the text in his signature to find it. Meanwhile, yours i'd have to open the character map, and browse 3000 characters, just to have even a small chance at finding you. Plz fix this. — Scythe 0:53, 1 Oct 2010 (UTC)

I think the suggestion of a redirect link from User:Teisei->User:ていせい would fix the so-called "problem" quite elegantly. Although ていせい, I do think that you should create a custom signature that has the English pronunciation in parentheses or something, so that people with a standard US keyboard know what to search for if they do want to find your page for whatever reason _╺┛prʘcess.executıʘn_┗╸ 01:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) While no policies exist on GW2W and you are free to use ていせい here, GWW does restrict signatures (by extension, usernames) which are inconvenient to other users and limits use of non-Latin characters. In other words – you can do whatever you want, but we strongly "urge" you to, at least, merge into Teisei and use ていせい as your signature. To correct Scythe, you would only have to head towards the end of the List of users, though doing so is highly inconvenient (few even know the list exists). –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 01:54, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

This is actually one of those "a sysop is telling you to change your username" dealies. It's not really a suggestion. -Auron 02:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

So "sysops" are trying to clean their tracks right? First they let people do whatever they want, and afterwards they keep telling people that they should have done this and that. In a nutshell, sysops are punishing people for their own mistakes. It doesn't sound very effective and I can imagine it causing trouble for "sysops" and users alike. If a person who has never been on GWW joins here, how would (s)he know about rules of GWW? If a redirect was done and I added Teisei into my signature, would the problem be solved? --ていせい 07:54, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Nobody is punishing you for anything. Pling simply requested that you make a user name with Latin/English characters and he will merge your account histories - so everything you've done will be preserved. We're not giving you shit for making an Asian character name, and we're not assuming you've read any rules. We're simply asking you to register a new account and offering to merge your old contribs into your new account.

No, the redirect would not be an acceptable compromise. If your account name was "Teisei" and your signature included both the English and asian letters, it would be alright. -Auron 09:36, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

User:Plingggggg - ahum. If Pling gets to register a new account and have the old one there solely for redirect, I see no reason why Teisei here can not. Actually, Eloc registered more than 1 new account solely for redirects. Teisei should not be the first questioned and especially after failing to find objections on both pling and Eloc, this WoT should not exist in the first place. Very user-unfriendly. - Infinite - talk 11:55, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Pling's username is in English on both accounts, and most importantly, he uses User:Pling as his account. If Teisei used User:Teisei as an account, he would be free to have User:whatever as a redirect. Nobody has an issue with redirecting user accounts, we have an issue with him using weird ass symbols in his active account name. Try not to make comparisons without, y'know, actually comparing them. -Auron 12:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) This isn't a punishment, it's to aid the overwhelming majority of users in contacting you, knowing what your username is, and being able to do so quickly, efficiently, and easily. The reason the registration page allows all types of characters is that we don't have direct access to the configuration settings and we haven't yet asked ArenaNet (who hosts this wiki) to change them. It's also extremely rare for someone to make a non-English-character name so we haven't had to think about restricting registration options until now - as with almost everything on most wikis, problems are solved when we realise what the problems actually are. I'm not blaming you for making this account name: I fully acknowledge that registration currently isn't clear enough.

However, as said before, the account name you contribute with and display needs to use English characters (but can be in another language). We can't really compromise on this, I'm afraid. To make sure future new editors don't have the same problems, we'll try get the registration settings updated. pling 15:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Just to make sure: Can I still keep this username as a keepsake, even if I didn't actually use it for contributions? I intend to make a new account with the name "Teisei", which is basically the same name with Latin/English characters. --ていせい 18:26, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok so, it seems that I was able to log in with my GWW account of the same name, so I didn't have to create a new one. Would it be possible for me to link these two user pages? I'd just like to keep ていせい as a precious keepsake, if you would kindly allow it. --Teisei 「ページ」 「会話」 18:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

How about, You keep your Sig in English (just the main translation, the rest can be w/e you may want ^_^) and you'l be able to redirect that signature to your other wiki userpage called User:Teisei or your current one called User:ていせい?, Sound good to you? --Neil • 19:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

If you want the contributions merged, Pling can do that for you - after which you can re-create User:ていせい and keep it. Alternatively, if you don't care about the contributions being merged, you can simply keep both accounts as they are now. Just make sure your editing is done from the Teisei account, and you can do whatever you want with the other one (redirect it, put a little blurb on the userpage, whatever). -Auron 00:52, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, I'll edit my signature right away! --ていせい 10:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I've merged your account's contributions into Special:Contributions/Teisei - please use this account to contribute from now on. Your old account still exists, and I'd suggest moving this talk page to User talk:Teisei and redirecting User:ていせい to User:Teisei. pling 13:13, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

If you dont know how to move & redirect, ill do it for ya ;)--Neil • 15:09, 12 October 2010 (UTC)