Talk:Saul D'Alessio

Would be great to have a bit of history added to the article. —Ventriloquist 11:15, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

There was some speculation that Saul was this guy. Doesn't seem to hold water now. SarielV 19:52, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

I would also like a little bit of lore myself so the uber spoiler can be hidden underneath it. Unfortunately, I don't know squat and I was hoping Konig would have found the page by now to add some. - Do_odleplex 20:00, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

"I was hoping Konig would have found the page by now to add some." Stop rushing me. There's tons of things to do right now. Plus, I've not done the raid, so until the raid dialogue gets properly documented by raiders, I can't add any of the new lore. Konig (talk) 20:18, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Ok so, the simplified version of Saul's story (from the end of GW1 to end of raid)

At the end of GW1 saul was kidnapped by the Mursaat and was never heard of again. We now know that the Mursaat brought them to this prison (Bastion of the Penitent) in order to turn him into their puppet. Deimos, the demon/beast/whatever, was in charge of breaking him along with the oversight/observance of the Eye of Janthir. Saul was kept alive much longer past his lifetime due to the magic in the prison (either from the Eye or some Mursaat magic). During these hundreds of years Saul was continuously confronted with all of his past sins, having them take form and physically hurt him. Along with this more magical torture, there was plenty of old style torture devices which were probably used. What was not known by Saul and Deimos, is that the Mursaat were defeated shortly after they dropped Saul off, so even if Deimos ended up succeeding in his efforts it would have been in vain.

-Darqam 20:20, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

From what I understood there's more than that to the question of Deimos' nature. Konig (talk) 05:22, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Well I've put up all the dialogue for the raid, and there is the final cutscene available on YT already, so I guess if I missed anything it's in one of those. A correction though, it's the EoJ that kept Saul alive and not Deimos, it confirms so in the final cutscene. -Darqam 15:55, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Screenshot

I'm noticing this trend on a lot of characters but I feel like the picture might be a bit of a spoiler. I think it would be better if we used a screengrab from the cutscene when he was younger, then we could have the picture of him in shackles in the spoiler. --Teletric.3821 (talk) 12:44, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Agreed, it might be nice to have an old image of him as main image, and then maybe have the current image within the spoiler maybe. -Darqam 14:29, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Isn't the very existence of the NPC infobox on this article, in fact, a spoiler? Konig (talk) 14:54, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Can confirm, am spoiled--Relyk ~ talk < 16:24, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

How about some concept art since that seems to be what was done for previous historical figures? "File:"Saul" concept art.jpg" on the GW Wiki might work nicely. - Do_odleplex 18:28, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

You mean like Snaff and Glint? Because those are the only depictions of the individuals that exist in GW2. When we have an in-game model, we show the model in the main box, not some concept art from another game in the series. The entire article is a spoiler, and the image in the infobox is no more of one than Mordremoth or Zhaitan's infobox images. It would be like going to gw1:Shiro Tagachi and complaining about the image being a spoiler because he's solid not transparent (as he first appears in Factions). If you come to the wiki and look at an article that is 100% spoiler, you're gonna be spoiled. Konig (talk) 18:46, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

It's not like it's a surprise to anyone that you fight Mordy and Zhaitan, but it is a surprise running into a guy that was supposed to die centuries ago that you thought was a giant dick but in fact was not --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 23:07, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Thing is, by the argument of "you're not expecting to see Saul" the entire article is a spoiler. The whole infobox - not just the picture - is telling us that we meet Saul D'Alessio in GW2 as a living human; the Location section tells us where he is in the game; Combat abilities section tells us he has effects/skills. The entire page is a spoiler to the fact that you're "running into a guy that was supposed to die centuries ago" (I'd say anyone from gw1 / knowing gw1 lore would know he wasn't a "giant dick" though :P). To avoid it being a spoiler, you'd need a silly name like gw1:Spoiler-related boss. But this is hardly that big of a spoiler - it's just a spoiler for one, singular raid wing. Konig (talk) 00:01, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Right, I get that. But what I am saying is that we should try to keep as many spoilers as we can outside of the spoiler section. For all any new player knows, they could be fighting a ghost of him in that location, and that he is dead. It would be much better if we kept that image in the spoilers section so that his condition remains a surprise to the player. --Teletric.3821 (talk) 00:57, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

(Reset indent) One small, not-image-related comment, I'd much rather have what's not common knowledge under the spoiler tag instead of out in the open since that's sort of the big thing at the end. - Do_odleplex 00:21, 16 March 2017 (UTC)