Talk:Primordus/Archive 1

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Sounds like a final boss, at best, to me. -- Armond Warblade 22:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely reeks of it. Calor (t) 22:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Except the world is continuous, so I expect he'll be back several times. :P Lord Belar 23:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Isn't it spelled "Primordius"?(Arthurperson 20:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC))

Nope. Calor (t) 21:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You're probably just confused, as per Primordial Saronite in WoW. 61.69.198.168 02:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

When it wakes up, we will need heroes from the advanced civilization in the past that created it to wake up in the future after the time of being cryogenically frozen, so they can regain their memory and destroy it with magic green swords O_O (Many cookies to anyone that understood that. Many more to anyone that knows wtf I'm talking about) 69.40.240.227 02:51, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Omg, i knew the dragon would have something to do with GW2 ^^ and now we need to kill it, sound awsome =P although it was a little predictable it's still nice xD 78.21.7.221 18:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

It looks pretty sweet. — ク Eloc 貢 16:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Awesome + predictable = nice XD -- ab.er.rant 03:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

1. To 69.40.240.227: GIMME COOKIES!!!!!!
2. Why do we need to kill them? I like dragons... you got a problem that theyre ruining our home-land (FUTURE homeland), enslaving our race and forcing us to drink sour-milk?!?! Huh? HUH?!?! If you do... go jump off a cliff :)
3. In another matter of speaking... I am doing a research of the abilities, specie, and origins of those dragons. How? Well... if I tell you I will have to kill you. I will just say I will define their specie and combine with appearence... that is all.
4. WHERES MY COOKIES 69.40.240.227?!?! 89.139.235.214 10:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

You want a big twist? How's this: The dragons cause chaos and mass destruction around the world, and the gods return to defend the remaining living beings. In an epic battle of the ages all the gods are slain, and it is revealed that the dragons are actually the pawns of Kormir, who is really an evil goddess. Dun dun DUNNNN xD -Amannelle 17:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Primordus - Dragon Data

After a small and not realy deep reseach, I have came out of these information about him:

• Dragon Type: Western (99% sure)
• Abilities: Spit fire, fly, roar a neat roar, talk (communicate?) with other animals (maybe also humans?)
• Flying type: Slow-Medium. He has more size-and muscles than wings. He travels more slow on land than air, from almost obvious reasons.
• Spit type: Fire (also 99%). This fire is powerful, can last for very large periuds of time, but, it also makes him vulnerable; after his long-spits of fire, he is exhausted, making him weaker, and giving us (the killers *sniff sniff*) an oppurtonity to strike him down!
• Dangers: (may) possess extremley powerful magiks, and combined with strengh, he can be a tough opponet. If you are far, he will burn you or use magiks, and when close, he can in a swip of a claw tore you into little pieces. When in danger, he can fly above you and kill you from there. (Note: If you damage his wings, he can be pinned down, giving you a chance, but it may also enrage him).

This is all I can come up with for this short periud of time. When I find out more, I will update. If you want to check more, see dragon images and data. There is room for changing in this data :) 89.139.235.214 10:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Can you verify the souce of where you got this information? I'd like to take a look at it, if possible... Sensical Measures 01:27, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Lol, half a year late. Those theories are based on the generic Dragon stereotypes. Which category of Dragons it fits in can be pretty much determined just by its appearance and color. ---Chaos- 17:54, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Grammar

Primordus is singular, not plural. It's only one Dragon after all. I checked it, and only regular plural forms should have just an apostraphy. Singular forms and irregular plural forms should have 's. --Sir Bertrand 14:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Words ending in, for example, "-s" can either be chosen to have " 's " or just " ' ", depending on how easy it is to pronounce (among other things). wikipedia:Apostraphe#Singular nouns ending with an "s" or "z" sound has more info; different people say different things about whether that's acceptable or not, but I wouldn't say either in this case is incorrect. -- Pling \ talk 15:48, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I didn't know that. I've learned there should always be an extra s (and that's what I've found when I searched it), and it was said on my talk page that was totally wrong. --Sir Bertrand 09:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess English is taught a lot different from place to place? I've been learned that you should never use the second S if the word already ends on an S. I hate humanity :P --- -- talkpage 09:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not wrong, it just has two possibilities. If I saw someone taking out the s after the apostrophe (and vice versa), I personally wouldn't revert. -- Pling \ talk 15:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Interesting postulations

Here is an interesting thought. Since the asuran gate network was presumably powered by Primordus, how do the gates still function in Guild Wars 2 after Primordus' awakening?Passifis 21:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Bloodstones maybe? Idk...cool thought!-- Shew 15:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Where does it state Primordus powers the Gates? --- -- talkpage 17:54, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

It states somewhere that the Central Transfer Chamber was built in that location because of a statue that "bleeds magic" which later turns out to be Primordus. Dragnmn talk cont 18:07, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Vekk says that in gw1:The Final Vision. -- Pling \ talk 20:16, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

He merely states there's a strong magic, but nothing linking that magic to the Gates. --- -- talkpage 10:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I assume the Gates need some sort of magical power to work, and the magic emanating from Primordus was sufficient enough that they built the Central Transfer Chamber near it ("It's why we built the chamber there in the first place").-- Pling \ talk 12:16, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

"It's why we built the chamber there in the first place" relates to "The big statue practically bleeds magic.", not to "That's the first Asuran Gate!1~" (or whatever you might figure). Besides, if the magic from Primordus powers it, how the cheese does the Gate in Kamadan work? --- -- talkpage 15:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and I assume the Asura gates need/use that magic to run -- they built the centre of the gate system at the place where the big statue practically bleeds magic and can power the gate system. (There's a gate in Kamadan?) -- Pling \ talk 19:05, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Below Kamadan... gw1:Caverns Below Kamadan muchos? --- -- talkpage 19:29, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Intersting... ask Lindsey Murdock or John Stumme on the GW1 official wiki? Roland Cyerni 23:50, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Elona is below Tyria. Why couldn't the magic reach that far? It's like a cell phone tower in relation to a cell phone...except much more powerful.-- Shew 04:08, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

The reason I postulated this is because of what it says in the second paragraph here gw1:PrimordusPassifis 14:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Now that's what I was looking for. Where it stated the Asuran Gates were powered by him. Still, it's speculation and I doubt it's true. Just doesn't make sense (read on to find out why). Also, Shew, Cellphone towers don't reach continents away. Barely countries, in fact. And if the power reaches that far, why the f--- care about building one gate near the core of the magic? You don't build houses near a Nuke-plant because it's close to the core of the power. --- -- talkpage 17:42, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

First of all...are you seriously getting mad over an argument about the constructions of a fictional race? Secondly, like I said...a very powerful cellphone tower. I didn't say it works like a cell phone tower. Where did I say the CTC gives off radio waves? It doesn't necessarily have to be by your logic. Calm down. Let's end this discussion...we'll find out when we find out.-- Shew 21:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

...Mad? What? I just find it illogical how people came to the conclusion they built one of many Asuran Gates near the "statue" of Primordus. Think about it. If Primordus powers the gates, there's absolutely no need to build one Gate near Primordus. The power reaches far and wide anyways. What I think, is that the Asuran built the Gate there to feed off the magic, using it to power, say, a Golem Core. --- -- talkpage 19:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I feel that people are not understanding what "Central Transfer Chamber" means. There is no need to power gates in Elonia, or Canthia, or Lion's Arch. The one at CTC has power, and that's all that is needed. To open the gate in Elonia, you open the gate from CTC to Elonia. Then, to get wherever you are going, you open another gate. Only one power source required. Think Star Trek style transporters, if that helps any. - JgzMan 15:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Besides, the gates look very much like the Stargate (from the movies and television series of the same name) which can be set to go to different stargates, while there only is one in possession of the humans on Earth. So the Asura should be able to modify the one in CTC to go to any asura gate that is linked to it, especially since there only is one gate in CTC in GW1. Paddymew 07:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Only one gate in the CTC? You're kidding right? To the Challenge Mission there is a second, and there are at least 2 others in the CTC besides the one to the Battle Depths. Though that does not go against your theory that an Asura Gate can link to any other known gate. Simply because being the Central Transfer Chamber, it would need to be able to link to all (I'd assume) and as there is only a handful of gates, most would think those few would be able to connect to the others. Not only that, but before the Destroyers, it was probably a highly active place, so multiple gates would be needed to easily regulate the amount of traveling asura. -- Konig Des Todes 08:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

he may stil be there amassing his army for his world domination atempt70.251.156.107 00:42, 26 September 2008 (UTC)randy70.251.156.107 00:42, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

maybe hes stuck in the rock so all he can do is summon minions and power the asura gates ;-) --Justice 06:33, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but in the 200 years since Primordus woke up, the Asura must have adapted their gates to work without a giant petrified dragon powering them. I'm sure when he woke up, all the gates in tyria stopped working. That'll probably be in one of the GW2 novels.--70.71.240.170 04:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I would assume that the Asuras, thanks to Gadd, Vekk, and Oola, now use the Bloodstones as a source of power for the gates - instead of using Primordus. -- Konig Des Todes 04:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. Paddymew 07:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

There were, what, 5 bloodstones? And as far as I know there is only 1 underground (the one Gadd found). Maybe that is the one they will use as the new CTC. Unless they find the other two, anyway. Mat Cauthorn, The Botanist 07:14, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if it was the bloodstone in Bloodstone Fen either. Both are close enough for them to use. But more than likely, it will be the one in Bloodstone Caves (which is, incidentally, the Shiverpeak bloodstone). -- Konig Des Todes 09:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

no, it wont be the bloodstone caves since Primordus controls the entire Depths of Tyria in gw2 - Wuhy 13:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Controlling the whole Depths of Tyria would be like controlling the whole world for the most part. I highly doubt his forces would be spread far enough and be strong enough to cover the whole area without being easily defeated. Though possible, I doubt it. It will probably just be a large handful of dungeons or the "deeper" portions of dungeons (i.e., if all dungeons were connected like they are said to be via lore *if I recall correctly* and Primodus is deep underground like it is hinted at, the outer-most caves/entrances wouldn't be under Primordus' control, just say like level three of the current dungeons and on). -- Konig Des Todes 21:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

how the...

How exactly are we meant to kill this thing, i mean come on its HUGE. and i thought charr effigies were big. who told you we must kill it?

Tickle it to death. Or dont and just hope they get bored and fall back asleep --Justice 09:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

We're going to use super massive electric charges conducted by a machine made by the Asura to zap the lava within primordus just like what one had to do in Quake 1 with that giant lava monster. -- Konig Des Todes 09:42, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Use the Megaton Hammer when he's below the surface. And when he's above the ground, switch to your Master Sword and shield again so you can block his fire attacks. I think he may be vulnerable after that, so if you have it, use the Biggoron Sword for maximum damage. If you don't have it, kill him with the Megaton Hammer. I think he does this a total of five times. Paddymew 07:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Clearly the BFG 9000 is needed to kill this guy and the other dragons. --Curse You(talk|contribs) 17:51, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Just Ursan it. 21:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

He'll be almost impossible to kill for a year or so until Anet releases anti-dragon PvE-only skills. Mat Cauthorn, The Botanist 21:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

We cower behind a rock and hope it doesn't notice us while we get the azurans to build a doomsday device and then some suicidal norn feeds it to the dragonand we hope the dragon's skin is thick enough to conain the doomsday device and if not well at least you killed the dragon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.46.230.120 (talk • contribs).

I think the charr could build a better doomsday device. Deadpool 20:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Have an even more powerful mob of fire eles burn him to death! fight fire with fire. - 74.171.163.219 15:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Ress Abbadon/or ask Dhuum and let him kill primordus from the inside >:3 --The Holy Dragons 15:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

To be fair Abbadon is larger than Charr Effigies. Also I assume it will be a similar sort of battle to Shiro, but in a sort of Hellish Area. He is also probobly not as big as they are making him out to be. I imagine that he summons a load of minions, about 5 say every 54.2573 seconds, And you can only get to Primordus once they are defeated, And he can only attack whilst they are alive, And he gets weaker the more minions you kill... 90.220.172.84 09:14, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

But Abbadon was chained, these dragons are already awake and probably at full strength... Prince Grazel 10:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Wake Up Time

This wiki says 1078, but the GWWiki says 1075. Which is correct? 98.227.89.223 02:20, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

1078 AE is correct. As been pointed out on the Talk:The Movement of the World page, it was a typo. EN occurred in 1078 AE, Nightfall occurred in 1075 AE. -- Konig/talk 02:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Primordius or Zhaitan

At first it looked as if Primordius was going to be the most directly threatening of the Dragons for sure. I mean, his minions were the ones we fought in EOTN. But A-Net seems to have been talking about Zhaitan a lot lately. Also...Z seems alot more directly threatening to us, because of cutting off the sea etc. Do you think this guy will be the first one of the Dragons to defeat, or do you think they're just introducing Z. It makes sense for him to be the first one, because that would mean we can cross the sea. But there are still the other 3 dragons we don't know about, one still doesn't have a name. Arcdash 15:47, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Quoted from http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/81024:

"Yes, Zhaitan is that powerful and yes, you do encounter it."

"Will players eventually encounter the other Elder Dragons?" - "The effects of all the Elder Dragons are ever-present on Tyria and all the races in Guild Wars 2. Encountering them in person is an opportunity for future expansions. But that's getting ahead of ourselves—let's see if you make it past the first dragon." · LOQUAY · 16:36, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Zhaitan is the primary antagonist of the initial release of Guild Wars 2. That's what it says here on wiki. Sjacie 06:37, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Resting place/Location

"Primordus' original resting place was in a cavern, deep underground"

Why original? If I remember correctly, then ArenaNet has never said a thing about Primordus leaving that cavern and the proximity of the Central Transfer Chamber after his awakening. Have I missed something, or is this just a speculation? --Thalador Doomspeaker 16:13, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Just because it isn't mentioned doesn't mean it hasn't happened. No one's mention the DSD's name, does that mean it doesn't have a name? -- Konig/talk 02:28, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

That is a weak excuse. It is a senseless speculation, Konig, and I know that you're aware of it. Even if the Fire Dragon moved from that cavern, but ArenaNet forgot to mention it, it's still a complete speculation. I say we should rework that sentence a little bit: "((Prior to his awakening,)) Primordus hibernated/rested in a cavern that was adjacent to the Central Transfer Chamber..." --Thalador Doomspeaker 09:20, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

No where does it state "Primordus moved" - it states "He came from there" with an implication of "he may have moved, he may not have moved." No where is there speculation. -- Konig/talk 12:37, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I may be wrong, but I remember reading something about the Dwarves living underground and fighting Primordus back, preventing him from surfacing. I may just have dreamed that up though.--Kareshii 21:39, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I remember that too. Fighting his forces, anyway, so we still don't know if he himself resurfaced and the dwarves are just fighting his minions. --Kyoshi (Talk) 21:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

That line is from the Movement of the World: "No longer interested in maintaining their solidarity as a race, these last Dwarves scattered across Tyria, finding battles to fight in the deep caverns or making new homes in far-flung hills, ever-watching the borders where caverns emerge into the surface world." -- Konig/talk 21:44, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Was a different line, but same evidence. --Kyoshi (Talk) 21:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Small

Judging by his size in GW1, he would be smaller than I thought.(Unless they changed it) --AdventurerPotatoe - 01:04, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

GW2 is a much larger world, its got the same layouts but theres a lot more room and better scaling to the map. - 74.171.163.219 14:34, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

The devs said somewhere (forgot where, it was during Gamescom or PAX, when discussing the Shatterer) that the Elder Dragons are MUCH bigger than any of their minions. Also note that in GW1, we only see Primordus' head and neck (though it would look funny if he has a wtf huge body and a iny tiny head :3). And as mentioned, scaling will be much different in GW2, so things will look bigger than they would of in GW1. -- Konig/talk 19:22, 26 September 2010 (UTC)