Talk:Palawa Joko

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The GW1 links are nice, but a lot of them are to articles on the GWW which are possibly relevant to GW2, such as Istan. When more information pertaining to GW2 is released concerning these articles, I think the GWW interlinks should be removed and replaced with GW2W articles. --Cjad the Nord 20:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Eventually, perhaps, if necessary. A lot of articles on GWW have more information though. Calor (t) 21:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Calor. Unfortunately for Istan and Kourna I don't think that they're going to have much of a role in GW2 for a while. The GWW articles are pretty thorough and because all the information we have on those provinces is out of date for Guild Wars 2 the articles are going to be no more than a sentence here. I'm happy for these to stay as links until we get some real information. --Aspectacle 21:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, eventually I'd hope the GW2W pages would have more information on GW2 than the GWW pages... -- Armond Warblade 08:26, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah not to point out the Elephant in the room, I feel this point must be raised. Since there is this level of infomation, complete with concept art, only one thing can be concluded. In some way, shape, or form, IT'S GOING TO BE IN GUILD WARS 2! At this point we can't say that Elona isn't going to be in Guild Wars 2, for all we know Palawa Joko might be planning an invasion of Tyria.--Copper Legray 21:03, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Would it be possible to kill Joko on a Blood Stone? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sklv55 (talk • contribs).

Only if there were soul batteries attached. -- Konig/talk 10:35, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

What is Palawa Joko?

I know Joko is undead. But that doesn't say much about where he came from how he became undead and what he was in life. I have a theory about his origin. If you remember the ghostly hero(Turai Ossa) in Prophecies he talks about a battle that tour his people apart. What I was thinking was that Palawa Joko was responsible for this. And this also means that Joko would be the same race as Turai. Now its only a guess but I also thing this is around the same time Joko became undead. Whether or not he mad a deal with an ancient evil or he became a lich. I don't know. But we may find out soon enough.--Yozuk 21:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Joko was indeed responsible for the battle (although it brought Elonians together rather than apart) - it's called the Battle of Jahai. You get to play it during the Bonus Mission Pack. However, he was undead at that time too. Joko's storyline is already quite well established - play Nightfall's storyline if you haven't already done so. -- Pling \ talk 23:49, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

OH Yeah! he was talking about the same battle. Nvm. I thought it was a different battle. Its been so long since I went through the crystal desert. I forgot it was the same battle. Sorry. But that still does not explain How Palawa Joko became undead. Or if he's a Lich or not.--Yozuk 04:36, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Following general Game Lore about Lich characters it means that he was either a powerfull magician or found a great magic source. If it was the latter i suspect he somehow used the bloodstones in tyria to achieve his immortality. Fox007 22:16, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

*enters a year late* I think that he became a lich during the time of the Scarab Plague, which may have been caused by the event, as in the manual people think that there was a dark power behind it. -- Konig/talk 18:45, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Palawa Joko always was, and always will be. *__* All hail Joko.--99.225.28.182 16:25, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe Palawa Joko is a general of Zhaitan. Like the Great Destroyer was for Primordus. Sjacie 06:35, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Highly doubt this ^, because he has had no contact with Zhaitan thanks to Kralkatorrik, I have a feeling he is under war with the dragon, unaware of the other dragons. New Games FTW!--aut /(t) 07:42, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Joko was one of the only undead i ever liked, so for some reason i keep thinking when we find him in-game he'll be all like "hey just wait a sec, aren't you related to? [insert character from guild wars 1 here]" and then he'll start telling us to do useless things. :P (forgot to sign) --AlbinoAce 02:28, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Uh... Joko is at war with Zhaitan. Or at least, Zhaitan is attacking Elona's northern boarders, and Joko controls Elona. -- Konig/talk 02:24, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

wtf

Fool never gives up, does he? 69.107.55.1 02:35, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I always wondered

How does he talk with that huge ring in his mouth? --Super Igor 01:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

That may be as difficult a question as how he talks with dust where his voicebox and/or lungs should be... 98.111.220.242 16:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Elonian undead bosses

I totally think it'd be awesome in GW2 when yu do come against him, some of the undead bosses or generals used the name(s) of any Elona born chara from your GW1 account. 12.18.245.219 02:06, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Too annoying to do and definably impossible in a persistence. Maybe if it were a solo mission, or if GW2 was a single player game. But even in a teamed instance, it would be annoying. Yes, it would be cool, but it is unrealistic. -- Konig/talk 03:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I think it might be likely he would see your character and mention something about some heros he helped cross his lands to stop Verish Ossa and end up having you help him kill the Dragon blocking Elona and Tyria. - 74.171.163.219 07:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Awakened

In Nightfall you got to Fight against/with the Awakened. Palawa Lead them to Victory and they also seamed very capable of speech and the ability to differentiate from Foe and Alie(not just the normal undead you see in Tyria who only seem to care if your Undead or not.). They Also seem to be able to handle takes such as trading, crafting armor, and such. They Actually are more an organised and capable race then many living ones(Excluding the playable ones of course). I Would actually like to be able to Play as one of the Awakened and would be proud to serve under the Undead Lord.--Yozuk 08:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Your strange choice in masters aside, the undead serving Vizier Khilbron/Lich Lord (basically all the ones you find in Kryta, iirc) do differentiate between ally and enemy. --ஸ Kyoshi 20:36, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually, aside from Khilbron himself, most undead seem to be under the direct control of a necromancer, and those that aren't just berserk until taken control of again or killed. So you do have a point if you're talking about the unleashed minions. --ஸ Kyoshi 20:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Kyoshi, you need to differenciate between minions and the other undead. Minions are mindless creatures controlled by a master (not too different from destroyers, in fact). Other undead - like the awakened - are sapient beings. Typically, the former goes berserk if their master dies, implying that the Orrian undead - which have even been seen not attacking the players in EN (Bloodstone Caves, in Heart of the Shiverpeaks, and that one spot in Varajar Fells - if those three groups are indeed Orrian undead like their models imply) - are also sapient. My personal theory is that they have souls while the mindless ones do not. -- Konig/talk 22:02, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I forgot about the supposedly (probably) Orrian undead in EotN. However, those non-hostile models also either turn hostile or just "dust" upon approach (if I remember right). There's also the question of to what extent the soul controls a body in Guild Wars...Shiro's constructs, after all, were able to control the power contained in souls. Sapience could have more to do with the power a necromancer wields (Khilbron was easily more powerful than your average player-character necro; could he have just constructed a more advanced brain for it?) than the presence of a soul.

An interesting topic to discuss, but as for the original topic: based on a recent interview (where it was said they wouldn't let us play villains) playing as Awakened seems unlikely unless it's a death-knight kind of storyline, and the original was cliche enough. --ஸ ķ̌yoshĺ 21:08, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

There are triggers to make the allies into hostiles (in 2 cases, aggroing their leader). But in Bloodstone Caves (dungeon not mission) a good number stay still, allied. But in the initial release, we indeed won't be playing the villain (sadly). -- Konig/talk 23:59, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

That post was a while ago. Well might as well post again, seeing as I'm bored and all. :P What I was just saying was the possibility that Joko might team up with the Players once again. He hasn't Done it in over 250 years because the need wasn't there. But because of the awakening of the dragons he would surely see a threat more powerful them himself. He Decided to work with the Humans of Elona because of the threat of Varesh Ossa(Not to mention his own satisfaction in being a part of her demise). If the threat is large enough even the most unlikely allies will work together. It isn't a question of would he help the players as it is, its how he would go about doing that. My original proposal was that the Awakened where very capable of being able to act on their own with little to no direction from Palawa Joko. Although playing as one would still mean you are enslaved to Joko, but it could also mean that you could travel the world helping to build an alliance between Joko and the other races. Joko is evil, Don't get me wrong on that much. But you can say that the charr and Asura are evil as well. The Charr are on loose footing with each other, always waiting for one thing to go wrong for them to break out in civil war! They wouldn't Ally themselves with humans if they didn't have to. And the asura could be considered evil because they want to rule each other race. They look at the other races as less then they are and its only natural for them to want to show the ignorant bookas that they are the best to rule the world. So I don't think Alignment is the issue here. And it also all depends on the perspective. In the Charr's point of view, they would see Humans as evil for taking their land in the first place. In the Humans Point of view, they would see the charr as evil for eating them and worshiping titans and then denouncing all gods as false. It all depends on who's perspective you are looking at.--Yozuk 06:08, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

(ri)I like your thinking, Yozuk. Playing as an Awakened on Palawa's side would be bad ass. I think I might even prefer Awakened over Sylvari. As you said, Palawa probably reaaaaally hates the undead dragon and the one that's wreckin' shit up in the Crystal Desert, so maybe that'll be the opportunity.--Gerroh 00:28, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Guild Wars 2 Expansion

I think he would make EXCELLENT main antagonist of Guild Wars 2 expansion's storyline. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 77.254.57.147 (talk).

Supply Lines?

Now, I'm assuming this is all solid lore, but does anyone else find it strange/amusing that the undead army was defeated by outrunning supply lines? It doesn't seem like a major necessity for an army of the undead... 192.168.104.82 19:59, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

So you expect an army that's rotting to fight without armor and weapons? And technically, Joko has always had an army of both living and undead. And even undead like to eat. Edit: Supply lines can also mean troops, btw. Though I don't recall off the top of my head any supply lines being outran that was Joko's fall the first time... His fall was because he left himself poorly defended, and Turai went around instead of through the army. Konig/talk 22:36, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Movie source

Anyone have a source on the nightfall movie fact at the bottom? The one about having Christopher Walken as Palawa Joko. I tried googling it but couldnt find anything other than this page. 24.202.214.45 02:53, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Boop. —Ventriloquist 10:08, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Working with Zinn

How did we figure out he was the one that commissioned R.O.X. and the other golems? Was that in one of the books? SarielV 15:36, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Zinn talks about it in his recordings scattered about Draconis Mons. --Idris (talk) 15:40, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Big if true. That's probably how the existing GW: Beyond stuff was going to lead in to the Elona chapter of Beyond. Shame we'll never see that content in GW1 now... –Santax (talk · contribs) 15:58, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Will not explicitly stated that this was the incident Joko was involved in they do have to really explain a lot if the Golem Incident wasn't the lowest point of Zinn's career. --Doctor Refrence (talk) 16:03, 23 August 2017 (UTC)