Talk:Game updates/2013-06-13

poi

You can now get the new POI in Divinity's Reach. It's called The Dead End, and I got it by just running to the closed gate.72.47.172.229 16:49, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

the notes section

The notes section is for notes, not just undocumented changes. Let's not document the reasons for changes because ArenaNet doesn't note it, genius. And I don't get why you removed a note elaborating on a documented change. But if I'm going to get reverted for stupid reasons, I'll just leave it alone.--Relyk ~ talk < 21:01, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

A wee bit less disdain and loathing would be great. Traditionally update notes have just been undocumented changes, but if we have access to the rationale behind certain changes I see no reason not to list it. 21:04, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

All my loathing. We can give context to updates where there is none.--Relyk ~ talk < 21:07, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I say put the notes back. It would be extra nice if you could do a <ref> to the source too. 21:09, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

"Health was increased on minions due to complaints about minions being killed before most players could reach the hologram." this is honestly just a reword of the actual update note so its not really needed imho. "The interaction with dragon pinatas was changed so players have to complete the interaction to open the pinata." same with this you are just restating what is in the patch notes with your own personal tone.Edit : so you didnt really elaborate at all you just added personal opinion.- Zesbeer 21:14, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Those aren't rewords, they're explanations. The official notes say "hey we increased these dudes' health," they don't say why. The official notes say "hey we fixed this bug," they don't say how it was fixed. Why not provide that information if we have it? 21:17, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

well I disagree, and how would u even reference that? as an official statement? this is just a gray area that I think we should avoid.- Zesbeer 21:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

If there is an official statement somewhere, on the forums or on twitter or something, yes. But the notes are not meant to be official- they're for things that were left out of the official update notes that players noticed. 21:32, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

The second one under discussion here ("The interaction with dragon pinatas was changed so players have to complete the interaction to open the pinata.") is neither speculation nor redundant, it's an undocumented change. The official notes only say they "Fixed an issue," not that they modified the actual mechanism in any way. I'm putting this one back. —Dr Ishmael 21:40, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

They also didn't document the ~5 second invulnerability on spawns now.

• Reddit update discussion
• Hologram Etiquette
• Major discussion thread details dislike with holograms
• Small thread about changes
• An early thread about it

with many other threads involving holograms degenerate into complaints about oneshots and such. You also see people complain about it in-game and people consciously organize groups so people can tag the mobs. Referencing common knowledge borders on vanity.--Relyk ~ talk < 22:43, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I agree that reasons and background information would be useful to include. It would also be good from a historical standpoint; we might know the reason for an update now (or some players might), but in a few months from now, that may not be the case. pling 06:58, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, don't remove notes unless they seem farfetched. With or without a source, something a large number of players is complaining about getting changed is worth noting, its nice to think we have a say in things *Edit:Dont use these pages to complain about patches though* Smoke (talk) 14:57, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

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Also It seem some dungeons could have been patched, and it is not described in the notes. (see gw2 forum):

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--67.197.174.101 05:36, 16 June 2013 (UTC)