Talk:Eternal Alchemy

Actually, if I had to choose a religion, I'd choose this one. --AdventurerPotatoe - 22:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

It's a bit of a fail religion to be honest. I could (maybe not for GW2) just kneel at a shrine and *poof!* physical proof of a deity appears. This on the other hand is just determinism with the perspective that Fate (pre-ordained specific events) is involved. 90.206.126.31 23:52, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Yea but u probably get more stuff for choosing that religiion--Icyyy Blue 23:59, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

The idea of Eternal Alchemy does not deny the existence of gods, It just accepts that they are also part of the cog that moves everything towards a goal in existence. As such, physical (incorporeal?) proof of an existing deity does not contradict Eternal Alchemy and thus does not make Eternal Alchemy "fail".

Perhaps this could be added to the article in some shape as it is mentioned in the original guild wars wiki and as far as I am aware the idea has not changed in GW2 --Decoinferno 10:01, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Done. --ஸ Kyoshi 16:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

This isn't really a religion. It's exactly what it is stated to be, an ideology. Religions preach many ideologies, amongst other things. (Xu Davella 13:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC))

Why are most people so determined to call the races' beliefs and ideologies "religion". l2religion - Infinite - talk 16:27, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Eternal Alchemy, to asura, controls their life - before and after death. It is very much a faith, a religion. -- Konig/talk 21:31, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Religion is a cultural system that creates powerful and long-lasting meaning...

from here[1]. (just pointing out) --The Holy Dragons 21:35, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Funny, Eternal Alchemy does that. It's a cultural system within the asuran culture, and it has a powerful and long-lasting meaning to them (and in their opinion, everything else whether they believe in EA or not). -- Konig/talk 21:40, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

This is Tyria, not the real world. Perhaps "religion" means something different than our real world connotations. --'Mai Yi' {TC} 21:43, 26 February 2011 (UTC)--'Mai Yi' {TC} 21:40, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

yes but we're from the real world and we say if it's a religion or not...--The Holy Dragons 22:06, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Why do we care whether it is a religion or ideology anyway? --'Mai Yi' {TC} 22:21, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Because the person who wins consensus gets a cookie....that, and we have a passionate set of standards. (Xu Davella 09:23, 27 February 2011 (UTC))

and just because we can... --The Holy Dragons 09:57, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

It's also to try and avoid future discussions/debates on this or any other subject when the game is released. So that we can concentrate on new stu-... Ohhh, there is that butterfly again... *stares in deep concentration* Ge4ce-Talk-Contribs 12:18, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'll be damned if I let mention that it has similarities with determinism. EA doesn't assume that everything is predictable/pointless, only that everything makes a contribution to something else/more. (Xu Davella 12:52, 27 February 2011 (UTC))

It rather kind of does by saying everything has a role (or as you put it earlier, "a point"). -- Konig/talk 19:18, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Do I spot an Eternal Alchemy view here? Either way...

(Reset indent) I think we can safely say that its an Ideology. A view on the aspects of the cycle of nature and everything else. People think this way, thus, believing in a way that all things have a reason to be there, may it be in the past or current time, or anything that the future may bring to us. These 'cogs' can be any size, shape, smell, color or speed of a gigantic mechanism that keeps on turning. So... who started this discussion anyway? *stares at Potatoe* Ge4ce-Talk-Contribs 20:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually it was my fault as I remarked people wanted to call this "religion" to eagerly, which is wrong. - Infinite - talk 20:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

The eternal Alchemy is in fact a religion because:Religion is a derivation of the Latin religare which means to bind. Put in to context that is: A religion is something which binds people which the same view on something together. Prince Grazel 01:35, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately the etymology of the word religion no longer determines the definition of the word "religion." Throughout time, the definition of the word "religion" has changed solely to depict a belief with a supreme entity. Obviously the status of Eternal Alchemy as an entity could be discussed, but since it's not a "being," but rather a process, there is no entity found in Eternal Alchemy and is thus not a religion. - Infinite - talk 02:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

"supreme entity" If a religion must have a "supreme entity" then there is only one religion in GW: Koda. All other faiths hold in multiple higher entities and thus no supreme one. Konig/talk 03:22, 17 July 2011 (UTC)