Talk:Dream of Dreams

Media influences

warcraft ripoff?Bob fregman 23:55, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I've never played WoW, and don't intend to, so elaborate, please. Calor (t) 03:14, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Sounds more like it's inspired by a standard science fiction hive mind, imo. --Edru/QQ 03:24, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

/agree with Edru ^Teo^ 22:07, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

/nod Reminds of a book called Neverness by David Zindell... Ieldra 10:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Awfully good looking for insects. :P Lord Belar 18:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Also reminiscent of the Borg of Star Trek and the Overmind Zerg of Starcraft. Pretty much you lost, Bob :P -- Mafaraxas 13:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I could see using a Sylvari to do some dream-version whoopass... -- Armond Warblade 22:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Serve the hive! --Lou-Saydus 17:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Sounds a little like the whole genetic memory thing from Assassin's Creed (Or just genetic memory in fiction in general). Sora267 23:06, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

It does, thinking about it, if you think of Ventari as a sort of ancestor, or just all the Firstborn. Calor (t) 23:10, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Sounds to me like a different ability then a 'hive mind', sounds more like dream walking, and having a 'Dreamer's Eye', (from Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer), which can be used to interact seriously and possibly get extra training while taking a snooze. Luke Danger 22:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I can see what Bob means, I think he means the Emerald dream from the elves. It's this immortal dream world.

Yes, it seems like emerald dream with some hive mind mixed in.Tambora 22:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

so are they going to be like the main "healers" in GW 2 or what? i dont understand--FrekyElf

My guess is that their "special ability" will involve healing...I mean trees usually symbolize life. Maybe the sylvari are going to have a conflict with each other...that's my guess at least...because when I think of plants I think of poison as well. Idk. Shewmake 23:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

My guess due to their size leads me to think that they are spellcasters of some sort (sort of like Moogles in Final Fantasy), but then again, only time will tell. — ク Eloc 貢 15:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

eerily similar to Transcendent by stephen baxter, the transcendance is a group of people hoping to avhieve god hood by combinging thier minds, they can commmunicate in a sort of dream like state. 76.188.100.220 20:18, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I've always seen the Sylvari as being rangers, attuned tot he earth and all, being small so they're able to be quick and nimble. But the whole hive mind makes me think, what if there's a special ability to where they can channel their thoughts tot he hive mine, or the other way around, and become more attuned with the earth around them, or have increased reflexes, etc. OR what if there happens to be a group of corrupted Sylvari being controlled by the Hive mind, and the one's we play have broken that connection? Or the one's that have broken the connection are rouge Sylvari bent on destroying the earth instead of being attuned to it? Those are all long shot ideas, but my hopes are high for the Sylvari. Demy 11:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

That'd be cool! And I bet Sylvari would make great rangers...especially if the weapon in the concept art is a blowpipe. I think, though, that they would make better healers...since plants represent life.-- Shew 21:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I want a Sylvari ritualist :) Cress Arvein 23:43, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I hope there no better healers then any other race personally. I would not like to see favorable Professions for certain races. Like a Sylvari monk should be no better then a Charr monk. But that's just me. I personally would like to make a dervish Sylvari.--Yozuk 05:52, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Dream of Dreams

I wonder if this will allow all the sylvari players to communicate with eachother nomatter how far away they are ( like guild and alliance chat) it seems usefull if a large group of sylvari are plan something or try to tackle an world event. and also i think the sylvari race would seem a little more funny if an ocassional "One of us" slipped out. but this is just my speculation, it might be just another way to make quest for sylvari players.Warmaster Aguaro AR 00:41, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Kewl

Sylvari = NiGHTS. They has to go kill all the nightmaren in the Dream of Dreams =D 24.67.173.150 08:15, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

i wonder...

is it in any way possible that the nightmares are caused by shiro or the murusaat?

In a word? No. -->78.16.137.115 15:09, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Why would they be caused by Shiro or the Mursaat in the first place? Shiro's soul was destroyed in NF - no more of him. And the Mursaat... have no apparent connection to the Sylvari. -- Konig Des Todes 23:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

From what I've gathered the Mursaat used to live in the Tarnished Coast, who knows what sort of corrupt stuff they might have left there. — Why 23:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Still, it would seem more plausible if this "Nightmare" was caused by the Dragons, or, at the very least, a remnant of Abaddon. We saw how he corrupted the plant life in Kourna, so maybe he did something to this dreamworld too, while trying to break free from the Realm of Torment. Paddymew 21:19, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

It very well could be that. I think it has something to do with the other seed-pods from the cavern. I bet some of them were planted/ they grew into a corrupted race since they didn't have Ventari's law for a moral compass.-- Shew talk 21:22, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Move

Should we move this page to "Inner Dream,", or should we leave it as it currently is?-- Shew talk 21:27, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

if you can reference something that shows Inner Dream is a better title then yes, but i have only seen it writen as dream of dreams. Ice king luke 12:22, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Here ya go. As you can see, I wrote this months ago, and my opinion as changed (for now). It has been called "Dream of Dreams," "Inner Dream," and "Dream," so at this point, I think we should just leave it (until we know more).-- Shew ♠♠♠ 14:59, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Redirects then? --aut (t) 15:02, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I have yet to see that the "Inner Dream" is the exact same thing as the Dream of Dreams. Though it is likely, I wouldn't count the eggs before they hatch. The Dream of Dreams is an empathic connection between the Sylvari, and the Inner Dreams has only been mentioned as what drives the sylvari forward. They could very well be different things. Edit: To clarify, the Dream of Dreams has only been mentioned, from what I saw, as a form of communication and not something which pushes the "guides them toward their destiny", which is what the Inner Dream is. They are described as two different things, so I don't know why people are automatically assuming they are the same just because they are both called "Dream". -- Konig/talk 19:06, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

References

The references 2,3,4 can all be used as ref 2. For the citations just cite ref 2 multiple times please, that is, unless they are referencing different pages. --Xerelin 16:56, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

It's all one discussion (over a couple pages though), but I fail to see the reasoning behind referencing the books - it'll be like referencing the game. Unnecessary and it'll just eventually clog up the wiki articles. -- Konig/talk 01:28, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Belong under Religions of GW2?

Should the article be aded to the Other section of the Religions of Guild Wars 2 list? Ramei Arashi 05:05, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

As far as I understand it, it's a hive mind, not a religion. Eive 05:21, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

It's not a hive mind (Killeen outright states it isn't in GoA), nor is it a religion, faith, or whathaveyou. It's basically a pool of knowledge collected by the sylvari and the Pale Tree which is controlled by the Pale Tree (that part I'm unsure of) and given/taken, in portions, to/by the sylvari. -- Konig/talk 06:13, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I mis-phrased. It's a genetic consciousness/memory thing that even the sylvari seem to have trouble describing. Which is still a hive mind in my books, but I'd be willing to allow others to disagree on that point. But this is definitely not a religion. Eive 07:39, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

A hive mind is more like a constant (telepathic) chatroom. The Dream of Dreams is more like a wiki, without the talk pages - everyone edits, no one discusses. Just to use layman terms. -- Konig/talk 10:46, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

A wiki without talk pages, and we knew everything. Frikkin' amazing. :) (Xu Davella 12:10, 13 February 2011 (UTC))

Its what the sylvari believe in and the humans gods and norn's spirits are as real to them as the dream of dreams is to the sylvari. Ramei Arashi 17:56, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes but it's still stated it ISN'T a religion etc. --The Holy Dragons 18:10, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

It's as much a religion as childbirth, really. It's just a natural, genetic process. It requires no faith, it requires no conscious action. It just "happens" to the Sylvari who are developing, it just "comes" from the Sylvari who are learning. The ONLY "faith" part is that they believe the dream may be guiding them to a particular destiny (Through darkness to dawn), while the Nightmare court interpret it as a corruption instead. However, that part may need to be mentioned elsewhere, as it is not directly caused by the dream. The Dream is just the biological happening-- the interpretation thereafter is the "religion" part, and is fully up to the sylvari, not the Dream. --Amannelle 18:33, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I always think of th Dream of Dreams as a Super Instinct ^^ --The Holy Dragons 18:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Ramei, the sylvari don't "believe in" the Dream of Dreams. It's there and they're a part of it. It isn't divinity or some divine act. It's as religious as philosophy. -- Konig/talk 19:41, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

And the humans would make the same claim about the gods and the norn about the spirits and the asura about the Great Alchemy and the kodan about Koda. The sylvari can no more demonstrate that the Dream of Dreams is real than the humans can prove the gods are real. Its all a matter of belief. Ramei Arashi 21:46, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Whether the DoD exists is not in question; the fact that it's not a religion but mechanism akin to sylvari alone is and it certainly doesn't advise the sylvari on how to live their lives. Merely what life is going to be like. - Infinite - talk 21:49, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

The DOD is in queston until its existance can be proven. I think you need to expand your definition of religion. DOD is not a mechanism. Adrenline is a mechanism, Virtues is a mechanism.Ramei Arashi 21:53, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Uhm... You're questioning the wrong thing again. You assume the DoD is a religion, which it isn't. It's a mechanism in the sense they trigger things for sylvari in lore. Just like a human dream can be considered a mechanism to the subconscious which triggers vivid imagery. - Infinite - talk 21:57, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Existence can be proven? I'm sorry, but every faith is real in the gw universe. To some degree. the six gods exist, the spirits of the wild exist, and so forth. The Dream of Dreams isn't a faith. Pure and simple. 23:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

As far as religion goes, the DoD is practiced philosophically, not religiously. They don't actively pray to the DoD, they do the complete opposite - they interpret the DoD. Even the Tablet, which preaches morals and ideals that you would find in a religion, is not religious, since that is also interpreted by Sylvari. (Xu Davella 09:21, 14 February 2011 (UTC))

Religion Redux

So, the DoD and the Tablet are like the Bible or other religious books? I've always considered the Pale Tree as the thing they worship - she essentially created them (I refuse to consider sylvari are Moldymoth's children) and took care of them, and she just seems to fit that role, to me. TiffanySmith.8216 (talk) 20:49, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Time?

How long do you think the Dream lasts for? Sylvari grow in the pods, right, and they experience the Dream in that timeframe - but how long does it take? How long do they grow and experience the Dream before they awaken? Also, wiki people are so smart! Re-read the talk page and see how much speculation done before the release of the game actually turned out to be right? Wow! TiffanySmith.8216 (talk) 20:47, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

There is unfortunately no indication for how long sylvari grow in pods or experience the Dream of Dreams. Konig (talk) 21:38, 14 August 2018 (UTC)