Category talk:Templates/Archive 1
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Because they are a mess
I would like to open a real discussion on templates. It has been stated that there are a lot of templates that are not required and/or not helpful for documenting the game. I agree. These templates should get a new home (in light of the category reorganization). Feel free to discuss templates here. I want to view every template catgory on its own as we judge whether it improves the wiki's purpose (and which ones) or not:
Break down
[−] Templates Template:Lookup Template:My Template:My/local defs Template:My/my defs
- Personally I have no idea what these templates are/would be about, but they aren't actually used on the wiki. Someone elaborate on their concise purpose? - Infinite - talk 21:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- Mtew experiments/projects. Redundant by definition. poke | talk 22:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- When the time comes that the templates are being recategorized, would it be fine to slap deletion on these? I haven't actually seen Mtew is a loooong time. (Moving them into his user space under the names Template_Lookup might be a more user friendly option.) - Infinite - talk 18:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
- Mtew experiments/projects. Redundant by definition. poke | talk 22:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
[−] Archival templates (4) Template:Archive-box Template:Archived Template:Archive box collapsible Template:Suspended policy proposal
- Template:Archive box collapsible is not being used anywhere and quite frankly, it's a cosmetic template. This would require a new location. The rest is widely used, they should stay in main space and be categorized into the new tree. - Infinite - talk 21:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- They should stay in main template space*. I am planning to categorize templates in two major categories; one being main space templates, which are used directly on the main space; another being other use templates (name pending badly), which are used on user space, user file space, etc (probably with those subcategories in there). - Infinite - talk 18:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
[−] Disambiguation templates (2) Template:Disambig Template:Otheruses
- These are widely used in main space and will be moved into the new tree. - Infinite - talk 21:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
[−] Formatting templates (22) [-] Infobox templates (6) Template:Armor infobox Template:Skill infobox User:Mtew/Sandbox/templates/Skill infobox Template:NPC infobox Template:User infobox Template:Weapon infobox [-] Color templates (7) Template:Any-color Template:Color Template:E-color Template:G-color Template:N-color Template:R-color Template:W-color Template:! Template:Bullet Template:Clear Template:Guild Wars skill Template:Language Template:Pagelist Template:Pipe Template:Quotation Template:Quote Template:Quote2 Template:Quote3 Template:STDT Template:See Template:TOCright Template:3/4 Template:Dye chart Template:Dye color Template:Section header Template:Skill tier Venom20/Template:Minibar
- The first encounter with user space templates categorized in main space categories. Mtew's user space template is an inactive skill infobox proposal, which seems to have been abandoned. It should be categorized in user space categories in the upcoming reorganization. Venom's template, the concise variant of my own skill bar template should also be categorized in user space.
- The User infobox needs either a massive upgrade/revision or needs to be moved into user space or deleted.
- The color templates need massive updating as well, and currently the colours for such updates are being decided on.
- The 3/4 template is very nice, but it requires expanding to 1/4 and 1/2 as well.
- Section header is not used in main space, I propose moving it into user space. (Or deleting it and editing the 2 user space pages it is used.
- That would be my course of action. - Infinite - talk 21:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
[−] Image templates (14) [−] Profession icon templates (5) Template:E Template:N Template:Profession icon sizes Template:R Template:W [−] Flag templates (14) Template:Australia Template:Brazil Template:Canada Template:China Template:Czech Republic Template:Germany Template:Malaysia Template:Netherlands Template:New Zealand Template:Russia Template:Sweden Template:UK Template:USA Template:Belgium [−] Icon templates (2) Template:Experience Template:Karma Template:Bronze Template:Cookie Template:Gold Template:Heart Template:Navimg Template:No Template:Nowub Template:Profession icon sizes Template:Silver Template:Wub Template:Yes
- Profession icons are not GW2-oriented at all, they should go or we need to find new tangos. I don't know who made them before, but I would base them on the Character Creation profession icons.
- The templates not sorted in sub-categories need sorting. Icon sizes is already sorted, let's not double sort. Navimg is the only template that doesn't fit in any sub-categories and can be permitted to stay. - Infinite - talk 21:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- Profession icons need to go completely. GW1 related things should not remain in a template namespace polluting way (i.e. {{W}} should be reserved to the new "W"-pofession); might be good to introduce a legacy/GW1 template category and put GW1-related things in there, including a different naming rule, to make them distinct from the actual new content. Apart from that, I think that category tree is actually quite okay. poke | talk 22:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
[−] License templates (9) Template:ArenaNet image Template:Arenanet article Template:GW1 image Template:Public domain image Template:Screenshot Template:GFDL image Template:Trailer image Template:Website image Template:User image
- All of these are to remain in main space, correct? - Infinite - talk 21:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- What exactly is "main space"? They need to be within the Template namespace, and they should stay in some kind of category. poke | talk 22:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- I apologize for the lack of elaboration; as per above: "I am planning to categorize templates in two major categories; one being main space templates, which are used directly on the main space; another being other use templates (name pending badly), which are used on user space, user file space, etc (probably with those subcategories in there)." With main space I appoint the templates used on main space, where they are vital. - Infinite - talk 18:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
- While that makes sense, I would object creating two separate category trees for it. Many templates (that do not belong to that "main space" definition) are still rather important to the wiki (nearly all maintenance related ones for example) and should not be buried to deep inside the tree. In the same way, main space templates shouldn't be put too deep either. I think having a good number of top level template categories that have good names is the most appropriate way to handle this. poke | talk 19:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
- I apologize for the lack of elaboration; as per above: "I am planning to categorize templates in two major categories; one being main space templates, which are used directly on the main space; another being other use templates (name pending badly), which are used on user space, user file space, etc (probably with those subcategories in there)." With main space I appoint the templates used on main space, where they are vital. - Infinite - talk 18:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
- What exactly is "main space"? They need to be within the Template namespace, and they should stay in some kind of category. poke | talk 22:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
[−] Main page templates (1) Template:News
- Can totally go. </sarcasm> Will be sorted along into main space categories, don't worry. :P - Infinite - talk 21:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
[−] Maintenance templates (14) [−] Deletion templates (2) Template:Copyvio Template:Delete [−] Redirect templates (13) Template:Abbreviation Template:Capitalization Template:Common misspelling Template:Common name Template:Fansite redirect Template:General term Template:Grammar derivation Template:Icon Template:Omitted punctuation Template:Plural term Template:Short name Template:Shortcut Template:Variant spelling [−] Stub templates (5) Template:Lore-stub Template:Section-stub Template:Stub Template:Anet-stub Template:Under Construction Template:Cleanup Template:Ifexists Template:Merge Template:Move Template:Not orphaned Template:Rewrite Template:Split Template:List entry Template:Unsigned ip Template:Unsigned2 Template:Verify
- Redirect templates are being simplified altogether.
- Stub templates are fine, save Under Construction. That template is only used in user space and should be moved there.
- Ifexists is only used in user space, though it *might* prove useful in main space in a way. Other than that I would move it to user space until it's used in main space. - Infinite - talk 21:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed that redirect templates should be unified (Actually I think those can go completely, as all they effectively do is categorize a redirect, which can be done manually as well; the template's content is not visible on redirect pages). Ifexists is an important technical template that is to be used on things like {{tl}}. Seems that exactly that template wasn't copied over from GWW correctly then. I generally disagree with "move to user space until used in main space", that will just make things messy and possibly lead to duplications when people import other templates from GWW that are using templates that were moved somewhere to user space (for no actual good reason).
- See below for a comment regarding the maintenance templates tree in general. poke | talk 22:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- "I am planning to categorize templates in two major categories; one being main space templates, which are used directly on the main space; another being other use templates (name pending badly), which are used on user space, user file space, etc (probably with those subcategories in there)." - Infinite - talk 18:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
[−] Navigation templates (33) Template:Attributes nav Template:Books nav Template:Category index Template:City nav Template:Dragon nav Template:Dungeons nav Template:Effects nav Template:Folder tab Template talk:Folder tab/DOC Template:Folder tab/break Template:Folder tab/end Template:Folder tab/label Template:Folder tab/separator Template:Folder tab/start Template:Friends nav Template:GW2W navbar header Template:God nav Template:Gww Template:Help navbar header Template:HoM rewards nav Template:Locations nav Template:NavBox Template:Navimg Template:Orders nav Template:Pet nav Template:Playable races nav Template:Professions nav Template:Skill lists nav Template:Trailer nav Template:Trait lists nav Template:Voice actor nav Template:Weapons nav Template:Wikipedia
- Folder and its sub-templates are to be moved to user space, they are not useful to documentation in main space.
- Friends nav is a user space nav, move.
- Navimg should remain in only image templates, as proposed above.
- The wiki-mechinical templates are going to be seperated from game-mechanical templates, but both are sorted into main space. - Infinite - talk 21:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- Don't move templates to user namespace, that will mess things up and lead to duplication when people want to use that actually rather universal template. It's a user template, yes, so categorize it like that. Same with friends nav, and all other templates that are likely to be used by more than a single user. And navimg is actually redundant by the wiki parser. poke | talk 22:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- "I am planning to categorize templates in two major categories; one being main space templates, which are used directly on the main space; another being other use templates (name pending badly), which are used on user space, user file space, etc (probably with those subcategories in there)." - Infinite - talk 18:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
- Don't move templates to user namespace, that will mess things up and lead to duplication when people want to use that actually rather universal template. It's a user template, yes, so categorize it like that. Same with friends nav, and all other templates that are likely to be used by more than a single user. And navimg is actually redundant by the wiki parser. poke | talk 22:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
[−] Organization templates (8) [−] Notice templates (22) Template:Arenanet article Template:Cleanup User:Infinite/Sandbox/Demo template Template:Disambig Template:Disputed Template:Historical content Template:Manual article Template:Moved Template:Notice Template:Otheruses Template:Please do not remove this line Template:Rewrite Template:Sandbox Template:Shortcut box Template:Sic Template:Spoiler Template:Spoilers Template:Citation needed Template:Official source Template:Unsigned Template:Unimplemented content Template:Warning Template:Diffwith Template:Ec Template:Extension DPL Template:Purge Template:Ri Template:Tl Template:User
- Unsigned needs to be moved into the Maintenance category or those two unsigned into here. I propose the former.
- DPL needs to be upgraded to properly display specifics as they are meant to be listed. Or be reduced in its use in main space and moved if possible. - Infinite - talk 21:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- One general thing about organization and maintenance templates; I believe it was me who "invented" a distinction like that. I see both categories as very related with the difference that maintenance templates are meant to be temporary (i.e. deletion, cleanup), while organization templates are supposed to be permanent. If possible, I would like to keep that separation.
- As such, unsigned templates are maintenance templates. The DPL template is technically required, but can easily be "hidden" somewhere deep in some category.
- Formatting templates shouldn't be a subcategory of organization though, and some of the formatting category are more organizational to be in that one instead (like unsigned, notice etc.; in general all non-content related). poke | talk 22:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
[−] Skill templates (3) Template:Skill animation Template:Skill icon Template:Trait icon
- Will be moved into main space templates. - Infinite - talk 21:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- The more I read it the more I get confused about this "main space templates" thing. Templates are supposed to stay in the template namespace; and templates should be categorized well. poke | talk 22:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- "I am planning to categorize templates in two major categories; one being main space templates, which are used directly on the main space; another being other use templates (name pending badly), which are used on user space, user file space, etc (probably with those subcategories in there)." - Infinite - talk 18:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
- The more I read it the more I get confused about this "main space templates" thing. Templates are supposed to stay in the template namespace; and templates should be categorized well. poke | talk 22:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
[−] Template documentation (12) Template talk:Folder tab Template:Folder tab/DOC Template talk:Folder tab/break Template talk:Folder tab/end Template talk:Folder tab/label Template talk:Folder tab/separator Template talk:Folder tab/start Template:Archive-box Template:Archive-box/manual Template:Color/DOC Template:Progress bar/doc Template:X-color/manual
- Folder is moving to main space as per above.
- Documentational templates are useless, this can be placed under the templates themselves or in extreme cases, the talk page of the template.
- Color templates need to be rewritten accordingly and moved into one collective location, as proposed above.
- In essence this entire category is useless and can/should be substituted. - Infinite - talk 21:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
[−] Templates/Babel (9) Template:Babel Template:Babel/0 Template:Babel/1 Template:Babel/2 Template:Babel/3 Template:Babel/4 Template:Babel/Box Template:Babel/N Template:BabelMsg
- Everything made sense, 'till I realized there is a 0 in there. Who would explain they have no ability in a specific language and what would this add? Also, should be Wiki-only template. It's not game-oriented. - Infinite - talk 21:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
[−] User templates (11) [-] Userbox templates (88) [−] Operating System user box templates (1) Template:User Windows [−] Users who favor guardians (5) User:AdventurerPotatoe User:AdventurerPotatoe/Template:Userboxes User:Chanw4 User:Chanw4/userboxes User:IcyyyBlue/Amanda Angelkiss Template:Userbox Template:User infobox userbox Template:User Age Template:User Am Template:User Assassin Template:User Asura Template:User Asura2 Template:User Asura College of Statics Template:User awesome Template:User BearSpirit Template:User Campaign EotN Template:User Campaign EoTN Template:User Campaign Factions Template:User Campaign Nightfall Template:User Campaign Prophecies Template:User Char Stories Template:User charr Template:User Charr Template:User China Template:Council of Twilight Template:User Dervish Template:User Elementalist User:Infinite/Templates/User Elementalist Template:User Eu Template:User evil Template:User Fan Fiction Template:User favorite skill Template:User Female Template:Findlay Graduate Template:User Firefox Template:User GFDL Template:User CC Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Helpers/Userbox User:Silverleaf/Template:GWAA Template:User GWW Template:User Guardian User:Infinite/Templates/User Guardian Template:User Gunslinger Template:User Hasuserboxes Template:User Hates Copyright Template:User Hatsune Miku Fan Template:User Human Template:User Human2 User:Infinite/Templates/Userbox style Template:User Male Template:Mature Gamer Template:User Mesmer Template:User Monk User:DrogoBoffin/Templates Template:User Necromancer User:Infinite/Templates/User Necromancer Template:User Norn Template:User Norn2 Template:User OriginalGW Template:User Paragon Template:User PvE Template:User PvP Template:User PvX Template:User Ranger User:Infinite/Templates/User Ranger Template:User RavenSpirit Template:User Ritualist Template:User Sylvari Template:User Sylvari2 Template:User Sylvari Autumn Template:User Sylvari Spring Template:User Sylvari Winter Template:User Br Template:User Evil Template:User GOA Template:User Gw2complete Template:User HOMitems Template:User Human Canthan Template:User Likes Cats Template:User Lyssa Template:User Owns Cat Template:User Ramei Arashi/Templates/HOM Template:User GW2buy Template:User age User:ZerusDabliu/Template:Userboxes Template:User Warrior User:Infinite/Templates/User Warrior Template:User WolfSpirit Template:User guardian Template:User guardian2 Template:User third adventurer Template:Friends nav Template:Gw2Points Template:User Balthazad Navbar 2 Template:User Neil2250 The Roof Runners Talk Page Template:User forgreatsource Colour 2 Template:User forgreatsource colour 1 Template:User forgreatsource colour 3 User:Infinite/Template:Skills User:Neil/Question User:Y0 ich halt/Templates
- Category_talk:Userbox templates. Should userbox templates be terminated? Or just sorted and partially terminated? See that page to discuss it. - Infinite - talk 21:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
- User box templates are fine, as long as the templates are actually used. Every template that could see a possible use for more than a single user, should have its right to stay in the template namespace. Templates within the User namespace should not be categorized, and categories listing users shouldn't appear there at all. poke | talk 22:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- We'll have to sort out all templates, especially these and determine what and how we take action. Also, the reorganization will take care of bad category sortings. - Infinite - talk 18:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
- Aside with recategorization we maybe should think of some naming guideline for those templates, to prevent them from being highly repetitive; maybe we need to introduce some design-related parameter to make sure that people can still choose their favorite design. poke | talk 19:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
- We'll have to sort out all templates, especially these and determine what and how we take action. Also, the reorganization will take care of bad category sortings. - Infinite - talk 18:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
- User box templates are fine, as long as the templates are actually used. Every template that could see a possible use for more than a single user, should have its right to stay in the template namespace. Templates within the User namespace should not be categorized, and categories listing users shouldn't appear there at all. poke | talk 22:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
[−] Utility templates (4) Template:Progress bar Template:Th Template:Time Template:Timezone
- Should also be sorted, or a lot of templates end up here, it's semi-redundant in its use. - Infinite - talk 21:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Response
I like this. On a side note: how long did it take you to sort all this appropriately and at such an in-depth level? Would've taken me a week to get it ready to even propose an idea remotely similar to this. :O - Lucian 5:34, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- Not a very long time; composing the opening of this major discussion took me roughly 40 minutes. Feel free to respond with your optics for each section, or just the sections where you see fit. :) - Infinite - talk 09:39, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- IMO, delete everything that could possibly be deleted, and leave only:
- Templates
- Formatting templates
- Infobox templates (NPC infobox, skills infobox, and so on)
- Color templates (once we settle on a color scheme)
- Image templates
- Flag templates
- Flag images
- Icon templates (for icons in the mainspace, not userspace stuff)
- Flag templates
- License templates
- Maintenance templates (borrowing the name from the main GW2 Wiki category)
- Archival templates
- Disambiguation templates
- Modification templates (deletion templates, stub templates, rewrite templates and so on)
- Navigation templates (exclusively for the navigation templates we all love so much)
- User templates (for the records, everything Mew did that couldn't be deleted would be moved here)
- Userbox templates
- Formatting templates
- Templates
- And nothing more. Erasculio 21:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
- I agree with Erasculio, seems simple and rather straight forward. - Lucian 4:03, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
- IMO, delete everything that could possibly be deleted, and leave only: