User talk:Vaetir

Just wondering if you're aware that you're removing some interlanguage links at the same time as you are updating them. —Dr Ishmael 19:02, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm only removing them if there is no equivalent page in the respective language. Vaetir (talk) 19:06, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I've checked my changes so far and adjusted a few ones. If you see any errors, please do not hesitate to tell me. Vaetir (talk) 19:15, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Please don't do that. We keep the links regardless of whether the target page exists or not. —Dr Ishmael 19:23, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, in the case that was undo by Ventriloquist, the link was wrong since it linked to the wrong German page. Where else is a link missing? I'll be taking a look on it and correct it. Vaetir (talk) 19:25, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

On the Resilient Infusion page, you re-added the word "raffinée" to the French interwiki link. I'm a typical English monoglot, so I can't be sure, but I would assume that links only to the fine version, whereas this is a page for both fine and basic. — snograt 19:37, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• Resilient Infusion is the fine version, thus linking to fr:Infusion de résistance (raffinée)
• Resilient Infusion (basic) is the basic version, thus (should be) linking to fr:Infusion de résistance

I don't see why Resilient Infusion should be for both versions, as it only includes the information of the fine version. I speak German, English and French, thus I'm pretty sure this is correct as it is now. Vaetir (talk) 19:39, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Ooh, I see what you mean - the basic acquisition shouldn't really be there in the first place. My apologies - I'll go back to minding my own business now ;) — snograt 19:42, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I think you misunderstood me, because you're still doing it. You should not remove a language link simply because the target doesn't exist - especially on items or locations. It is simple to find the translated names for these through the API, so we can add the language links without needing to check whether the other wikis have created the page yet. —Dr Ishmael 20:02, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

It seems I can't make my point clear. I am only removing those links that link to a WRONG page. For example, "Page A" (en) links to "Page B" (de) in the German Wiki, while there is no "Page A" in the German wiki. I will then delete the link to "Page B", because it obviously is wrong. Since there is no "Page A" in the German wiki, I can't set any new link for this page into the English wiki. Vaetir (talk) 20:04, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm giving you a better example.

• Let's say there's a certain "Page A" in the English wiki. It contains information about an item with that name. This page links to "de:Page B"
• "de:Page B" is the German page that is linked, but this page contains information about a monster with that name. Obviously, the link from the English wiki is wrong.
• What I am doing now is I check if there is an equivalent "de:Page A" in the German wiki that handles the item. If there is such a page, I change the link in "Page A" (in the English Wiki) from "de:Page B" to "de:Page A".
• If "de:Page A" does NOT exist in the German wiki, I do not now which interwiki link to put into the English "Page A". Thus, I am only removing the wrong link to "de:Page B" and leaving it as it is.

Since I've never worked with such an API, I do not know how to actually handle it properly. Therefore, I can only correct wrong links, and not add new links, as long as they aren't already set up in the German wiki. Vaetir (talk) 20:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I was misunderstanding you a little bit - what you're actually doing is moving some links to a more appropriate page. Arah armor, for example, is an overview of all 3 weights of armor sold by the Arah dungeon vendor. The DE link on that page was to de:Zupackende Toten-Rüstung, but that page isn't an overview of all 3 weight sets, it's the heavy set only. You moved that link to our page for Grasping Dead armor, and that's correct.

However, there are some cases where there is no exact equivalent on the another wiki, but the page we were linking to is still appropriate. For example, Savant armor linked to fr:Asura (Armure culturelle)/Palier 3, which is an overview for all 3 weights of asura cultural armor at that tier. This link is appropriate because the FR wiki organizes their cultural armor differently from us - we have a page for each set, where they group all 3 weights of a tier together on a page. Both Electromagnetic armor and Prototype armor should also link to that same page. —Dr Ishmael 20:29, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, having multiple links on one page isn't the way you should actually use the interwiki/interlanguage system. Plus, it's making huge problems if you ever try to let it run automatically. I actually started to change those links since I am running a bot to automatically add and correct interwiki links in the German wiki, and this bot gave me a huge list of problematic articles. Several links to one page, in this case in the French wiki, also leads to another problem - to which page should the French article link? I would advise to rethink this decision. Vaetir (talk) 21:55, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

But if none of our three articles link to the one French article... and the French article can't link to any of those three articles... then you've got a total disconnect. —Dr Ishmael 23:14, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Indeed, and in such a case, where no page matches the other, no linking at all is the solution you want to have. At least if you want to use automatical linking with the help of bots. If you really want to link to another page, you could create a new page in the English wiki that matches the French one--or you try to convince the French to change their pages. Vaetir (talk) 11:48, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

This one's also wrong. Please check the pages before undoing my changes.

re: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/index.php?title=Resilient_Infusion&diff=855320&oldid=811392 and re: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/index.php?title=Resilient_Infusion&diff=next&oldid=855320 and re: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/index.php?title=Resilient_Infusion&diff=next&oldid=855943

I think there's some confusion about what happened; I didn't undo any of your changes. By accident, when you added the "de" interwiki, the "fr" link got removed (first link); I merely restored what was there before (second link) — it wasn't a reversion, which I thought would have been clear since the "de" link remained. (Perhaps I should also have checked if that was the wrong spelling (third link), but it didn't occur to me — typically, your edits are solid and I trust them implicitly.) 17:15, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, the remove of the fr link wasn't an accident, it was on purpose since it was the wrong link. I know that you didn't remove the de link, but you added the wrong fr link again, thus making another edit necessary. My last edit then was to make sure it links to the correct French page, for which I didn't search for when making the first edit. It wasn't a problem of wrong spelling, it simply was the wrong page with different information. This is what I wanted to say in the summary of the last edit--please check before you are adding a link if it actually links to the correct page. Vaetir (talk) 21:55, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

My point is that it looked like an accident and so I "fixed" that. Without an edit summary, I had no way of knowing your intent. Your edit summary was "this one's also wrong, too" — but I only edited one article, so I didn't see how the also applied to what I had done.

To put it another way, in the future, please consider adding an edit summary whenever you remove a bad link, especially if it's at the same time that another, unrelated link is added. That would have prevented any confusion. Thanks. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:39, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I made a few corrections within a few minutes after I found out that some people here (not only you) reverted my changes. This is why I chose the summary. You are right, it wasn't the correct way, and I will choose a better summary in the future. Still, you have to check whether the link is correct or not when you add it. You can't just add information to an article without being sure if it is correct. Vaetir (talk) 11:48, 19 August 2014 (UTC)