User:42/Sandbox

I was going to try to collect my thoughts, but it will work better if I respond to each subject specifically as they happen in your response. I am also editing out the things that don't specifically apply to the adminship policy discussion. Pling if you are interested in reading my full comments, check my sandbox page here.

"I removed you from 'the list' because the page the list is on hasn't reflected the community's thoughts (as partly shown above),"
Actually, the text that I had added to the top DID reflect the community thought, as I saw it on here, specifically, removal of porting from GWW, and I did establish, clearly, that this was not official policy.

"the discussion here is open for input, as are any other discussions on the wiki."
And I posted here as well, to try to let more people know I was interested in applying for the position.

"The list is unimportant, and likely won't result in anything."
OK, so why is it an issue having someone post an application there?

"I reverted because it's potentially inaccurate"
Yet having a tag that says this is draft policy, when there is no policy draft there, and no links to potential policy drafts IS accurate?

"it stated the page will be replaced with official policy, which might not be the case."
But what if it is?

" Removing the draft policy notice also made it ambiguous"
And you removing something that said it wasn't policy made it clearer?

"The line at the top wasn't really enough."
So fix it to something that is enough, don't deep six the whole thing because of that.

"I understand your request; I just don't think it should be successful."
OK, that is your opinion on this, and I respect that. However, the accepted practice (on GWW, which seems to be how things are being run here) is to allow people to submit a request.

"In any case, I have the tools, and I've been following current practice as well as my opinion and discretion."
Since this is a relatively new wiki, and many people (including me) have tried to make a point that this is not to be a direct replacement of GWW, what exactly is current practice?

"I'm not arbitrarily deciding what happens"
Yet you removed my name from the potential list

"as I've explained above, the draft policy page"
And as I have explained above, despite the tag there previously, there was no draft policy listed there, nor a link to any draft policy.

"I'm not sure if you understand the concepts of the sysop role ... or even if your judgement would be good enough to decide whether something should be deleted or not."
Teach me. I want to learn.

"I'm not sure why you'd think trying to do something right is a bad thing."
I don't think that trying to do something right is a bad thing. I DO think that someone getting stuck up and getting the attitude that how they do things is automatically the only way to do things (as many others have done on GWW, for example), when someone else might have a different way of doing things is a bad thing. I am not saying this is how you are, I am referring to other admins and users there, is all.

"I'm also not saying everything will be automatically transplanted here"
You aren't, but many others are.

"I'm saying people's opinions and experience with the existent policy structure"
That is part of my point. There IS no existent policy as this is a new wiki.

"I'm saying people's opinions and experience ... will influence them to make similar decisions here, and I'm not a fan of that."
Me either, as I have been pushing for a change from what I believe currently accepted guidelines are, that go against actually proper formatting according to the English language.

"I think a different, and more successful, concept to "policy" exists, and I hope people would try to see that ... this is getting quite off-track"
Show me what your proposal is, and how is this off-track? This is a discussion page for policy.

I would like to consider myself a reasonably intelligent person Pling, and I can be opinionated at times (I know, hard to believe, right?). However, if someone shows me a better way to do things, I am willing to listen. I might not implement that new way all the time, because it might not seem to work from my perspective. But if I didn't understand or agree with something, I wouldn't just ignore what someone else said (with the possible exception of racists). But I also ask that same respect from others in return. I think it can be safely said that we will not always agree on all points on many things, but I am probably one of the biggest supporters of not doing the same thing here as things are being done on GWW.