Template talk:Exotic weapon text

We do not need a template for this... The point of named equipment was to cover all this and simply link to that. We would do the same with precursor weapons, which are named equipment with much lower drop rates.--Relyk ~ talk > 00:16, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that well-meaning editors like to add notes to named weapons - especially precursors - to list exactly where they got it. So a note like this on the precursor pages is necessary to stop those specific listings. As far as I'm concerned, this template is only temporary until we've arrived at a message that a number of people like, then it can be subst:ed and deleted. —Dr Ishmael 00:37, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

There is only 20 precursor weapon pages and like 150 named weapons and armor >.>--Relyk ~ talk > 00:48, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Maybe there is only 20 precursors, and yet they are way different then other named weapons and armor. One point, and the most important one, is, that precursors are not bound to drop in certain events/instances like for example, Final Rest. We can delete the template after i copied the text on all 20 pages, but when something is changed on where they drop or added (for example the addition as reward to the guild mission reward), will you do the work and add it to all 20 pages? Magistrella 00:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

ArenaNet said Final Rest doesn't just drop from Shadow Behemoth. I'm not sure if certain named equipment only acquired by specific methods.--Relyk ~ talk > 01:00, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, seeing as noone has ever seen Final Rest, or put it in AH for a horrendous price, before the Behemoth Meta was fixed in the January patch, i take it as a "it drops only there" hint. Same with Pillar of Ulgoth, dropped for me three times in the harathi event. I guess the second place for Final Rest could be the Forge but i doubt it, as in 5 month of tries for precursors we would have had that staff drop more often then The Legend. Same as the All Seeing (whoops we dont even have a page for that yet) from the Dwayna Event, the Ring from the Captains Chest, Breath of Kralkatorrik from the Shatterer chest ( - I can go on with examples where im 100% sure they only drop from certain events if you want me to... Magistrella 01:10, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Quick addition how a page will look like when it drops unbound to events: Deathwish - people will find out and add any specific place where they found it, and in the end it is just a named weapon that is not bound to a single event and the page will end like this.Magistrella 01:19, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Fyi: It is NOT just 4 weapons, they can be gained if you use armor in the mix as well. As well as they do NOT need to be lvl 75, enough guildies and people i talked with had 67 and lower rares/exos in the mix when they got their pre. But know what, do what you want, i guess you already have talked to many people how they got theirs and sold 4 in the AH yet, will be the last time i make an effort to clean any trash information up Magistrella 01:27, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

The chest page already lists plenty of examples fortunately. I'm copypasting stuff, just fix the wrong information instead of getting your panties in a bundle.--Relyk ~ talk > 01:51, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Evidence vs theory

There are plenty of confirmed examples of prescursors dropping from the mystic forge from one L60 weapon (when the other three are L80). In fact, I believe it's also confirmed that the average doesn't have to be as high as L75, but since the chances are so low already, it seems foolish to spend to test that theory. The L75 number guarantees that any output from the forge will be L80, which is the minimum requirement for finding a precursor.

The forge can also spit out exotic weapons from combining 3 pieces of armor + a ring. The odds are obviously better if you throw in four weapons, since you have a 100% chance of getting a weapon.

I'm not sure if we want to phrase the sentence so it reflects the actual data or if it's better to emphasize the most likely combination.

Do we have sufficient data to support the claim that the bonus chest from world events is more likely to drop a precursor? Is that something ANet said? Perhaps that should be footnoted.75.36.178.24 09:20, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Expanding to general use

Why don't we expand this template to all dropped exotics? A precursor is nothing more than an exotic that actually has a purpose and is used in a recipe, unlike the majority of other weapons. Exotic weapon pages and their acquisition sections are already so messy and fragmented, it might be nice to create some consistency in them. Super Hyperbeam Alpha is less detailed than Dusk, obviously, but they have the same acquisition method. This also might stop the occasional "I got this from X, let me add it to the list" edit by various IPs, which is why this template would be great for other exotics. —Ventriloquist 09:50, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Using a template with the acquisition text for exotics sounds good, I agree that the wording varies enormously between pages. I'd probably use a different template, e.g. "Template:Exotic weapon text" since it probably is noteworthy that precursors drop more for this template, but irrelevant for exotics. -Chieftain Alex 11:24, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Reword it to remove all of the "very rare"/"extremely rare"/"extremely low chance" language - just make it a clean list of the possible sources. Have a prologue line that says "Rare chance from the following sources:" and if the word "precursor" is passed as a parameter, make it "Very rare chance..." —Dr Ishmael 14:09, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Per the first section above, quite a few exotics (e.g. Final Rest) only drop from one location, so we'll have to be careful exactly which pages we add any template to. -Chieftain Alex 15:05, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Duh. Champion loot bag exotics, Mystic Forge-crafted exotics, boss-chest-specific exotics, etc. can keep their specific acquisition sections. —Dr Ishmael 18:44, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Exactly what I was thinking. The template needs some word-tweaking, but nothing too major, like Ish said. —Ventriloquist 19:59, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Wording about the chance to get precursors from bonus chests looks completely off on all the normal exotic weapon pages. Should be removed from the template and added to the very few precursor pages. - Manassas (talk) 08:03, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

That's a remnant from the old template text. Tweaked it. —Ventriloquist 12:44, 20 October 2015 (UTC)