Talk:The Ecology of the Charr
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So I was wondering, how did sexism in Charr culture come to be? If men and women were perfectly equal back before Flame Legion took over, then the concept of surpressing all women for the rebellion of Balthea would be alien to the Charr. The equal society seen in Guild Wars 2 Charr can't have been present before Flame Legion's rule. There had to have been sexism in their culture from the very beginning. Furthermore Burnt Warband must have been all-male, because if there was a prominent female member things would likely have turned out different. So either Flame Legion was sexist from the beginning, or all Charr were.
- That's like saying that the oppression of Jews would have been foreign to the Egyptians in Biblical times, so they would've had no motive to enslave them. (Or that sexism could never have developed in real-world cultures all over.) Besides, if a group of charr came home with powerful magic from a big lava creature and said "women are trash," most would be inclined to listen out of fear. --ஸ Kyoshi
01:33, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but human women have always been weaker then human men, making sexism in human society possible. With charr women, they are physically weaker but also phsyically faster then the males--different but equal. Human women, by contrast, tend to be weaker and slower then human men, making them more vulnerable to physical dominance. Looking back to the simple human societies, the strongest and fastest would become leaders, inevitably leading to women being counted out for those roles. Since Charr women were never at the same disadvantage and had always participated in military, the sudden appearance of sexism seems unlikely. So I still say it must have been in the works for a long time. I suspect that in primitive times, Charr society may have worked like prides of lions. The males lead and protect the pride with superior strength, the females hunt food for the pride through superior speed. Perhaps in military, more males were warriors and more females were scouts/rangers. When the Charr evolved to herding and no longer needed to hunt, perhaps the tradition of women hunting led to the tradition of them herding. Raising meat could be one of those utility tasks they performed? Anyway, if it did work like this, then the fact that men usually were leaders would make what happened to Balthea and the other females realistic. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.177.6.102 (talk).
- You're forgetting that, for several months, many females are weakened and largely unable to as effectively defend or hunt due to a growing mass in their abdominal region: it's called pregnancy. This is the same reason why human females are (on average) smaller, weaker, and slower than males; it takes a surprisingly large amount of energy to operate a larger than average body and maintain muscles (even passively), and developing a child while also maintaining that larger, more muscled body takes even more energy, which is why most animal species have smaller or otherwise "weaker" females, because evolution favors mothers who can provide for their children while burning as little energy as possible (it also favors fast mothers in some cases as that means they can flee more easily). It could have easily been a custom among the charr that pregnant females perform less intensive work such as cooking, maintaining the household, and farming/herding, while also fully expected to return to service as soon as their body recovered, meaning that the "women stay in the kitchen" wouldn't come out of the blue or from your theoretical pre-Flame Legion sexist culture, but simply the application of the assumed duties of a pregnant female to all females, all the time.45.46.148.126 11:16, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but human women have always been weaker then human men, making sexism in human society possible. With charr women, they are physically weaker but also phsyically faster then the males--different but equal. Human women, by contrast, tend to be weaker and slower then human men, making them more vulnerable to physical dominance. Looking back to the simple human societies, the strongest and fastest would become leaders, inevitably leading to women being counted out for those roles. Since Charr women were never at the same disadvantage and had always participated in military, the sudden appearance of sexism seems unlikely. So I still say it must have been in the works for a long time. I suspect that in primitive times, Charr society may have worked like prides of lions. The males lead and protect the pride with superior strength, the females hunt food for the pride through superior speed. Perhaps in military, more males were warriors and more females were scouts/rangers. When the Charr evolved to herding and no longer needed to hunt, perhaps the tradition of women hunting led to the tradition of them herding. Raising meat could be one of those utility tasks they performed? Anyway, if it did work like this, then the fact that men usually were leaders would make what happened to Balthea and the other females realistic. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.177.6.102 (talk).
Carnivores[edit]
If Charr are purely carnivorous, why would one of them be secretly growing strawberries and be unwilling to share it with her fellow charr? --Messenger 06:32, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- As I said in the other place you brought this up, they can have hobbies - not raising them to eat them. Plus, that one seems more like it's something that charr wouldn't normally do, not being a secret to horde them. Konig/talk 12:55, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- Why would she have to grow them in a hidden, far-off place if it's only a hobby? What would other charr care about one of their own who grows strawberries for recreation if they're not interested in eating the fruit? Furthermore, in 5:24 she specifically mentions that the reason she doesn't want her patch known is because she doesn't want to share. Considering this is located near the Black Citadel, she's mainly thinking about other charr. --Messenger 12:13, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not going to carry the same conversation in two places. Konig/talk 02:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- She's hardly unique, by the way.SarielV
16:20, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
- She's hardly unique, by the way.SarielV
- I'm not going to carry the same conversation in two places. Konig/talk 02:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Why would she have to grow them in a hidden, far-off place if it's only a hobby? What would other charr care about one of their own who grows strawberries for recreation if they're not interested in eating the fruit? Furthermore, in 5:24 she specifically mentions that the reason she doesn't want her patch known is because she doesn't want to share. Considering this is located near the Black Citadel, she's mainly thinking about other charr. --Messenger 12:13, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
