Talk:Steel Sword

Feedback 2016/11/03

I tried the recipe for the Giver's Steel Sword, but instead got a Giver's Iron Sword. I think there's something wrong with the recipes. --79.46.121.165 23:49, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Are you sure you didn't confuse things with Iron Sword, since there is no way that using a steel sword blade resulted in an iron sword; fault of there being a serious bug. -Darqam (talk) 00:19, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

It's recipe 6911 which is producing item 38323, Giver's Iron Sword. It's stats are steel level, but its name is just iron. G R E E N E R 00:41, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Bleh. So rather than move the Giver's SteelIron Sword to the Iron Sword page, I'm just gonna note it here as a typo. --Imry (talk) 03:27, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Wow, no idea where my brain went. I didn't even think of looking for a name parameter. Much appreciated. G R E E N E R 03:34, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Giver's - the pain in the naming arse that keeps on giving. Note that ALL Giver's tier 3 weapons get the tier 2 item naming. The tier 2 Giver's mace gets the Bandit level naming to further the confusion. I haven't seen the same issue with the Giver's armor, but I haven't looked at it in detail yet. Anyone wanna ask ArenaNet about this, and if Anet is content, anyone have batch editing superpowers to update the wiki to note the SICness?

Weapon Type	Tier	Anet Name	Anet ID Query	Wiki canonical name	Expected name
Mace	2	Giver's Bandit Mallet	38339	Giver's Iron Mace	Giver's Iron Mace
Focus	3	Giver's Soft Wood Focus	38407	Giver's Seasoned Wood Focus	Giver's Seasoned Wood Focus
Scepter	3	Giver's Soft Wood Scepter	38413	Giver's Seasoned Wood Scepter	Giver's Seasoned Wood Scepter
Staff	3	Giver's Soft Wood Staff	38419	Giver's Seasoned Wood Staff	Giver's Seasoned Wood Staff
Trident	3	Giver's Soft Wood Trident	38425	Giver's Seasoned Wood Trident	Giver's Seasoned Wood Trident
Harpoon Gun	3	Giver's Soft Wood Harpoon Gun	38389	Giver's Seasoned Wood Harpoon Gun	Giver's Seasoned Wood Harpoon Gun
Longbow	3	Giver's Soft Wood Longbow	38365	Giver's Seasoned Wood Longbow	Giver's Seasoned Wood Longbow
Pistol	3	Giver's Iron Pistol	38371	Giver's Steel Pistol	Giver's Steel Pistol
Rifle	3	Giver's Iron Rifle	38377	Giver's Steel Rifle	Giver's Steel Rifle
Short Bow	3	Giver's Soft Wood Short Bow	38383	Giver's Seasoned Wood Short Bow	Giver's Seasoned Wood Short Bow
Torch	3	Giver's Soft Wood Torch	38395	Giver's Seasoned Wood Torch	Giver's Seasoned Wood Torch
Warhorn	3	Giver's Soft Wood Warhorn	38401	Giver's Seasoned Wood Warhorn	Giver's Seasoned Wood Warhorn
Axe	3	Giver's Iron Axe	38316	Giver's Steel Axe	Giver's Steel Axe
Dagger	3	Giver's Iron Dagger	38353	Giver's Steel Dagger	Giver's Steel Dagger
Greatsword	3	Giver's Iron Greatsword	38348	Giver's Steel Greatsword	Giver's Steel Greatsword
Hammer	3	Giver's Iron Hammer	38343	Giver's Iron Hammer	Giver's Steel Hammer
Mace	3	Giver's Iron Mace	38338	Giver's Steel Mace	Giver's Steel Mace
Shield	3	Giver's Iron Shield	38333	Giver's Steel Shield	Giver's Steel Shield
Spear	3	Giver's Iron Spear	38328	Giver's Steel Spear	Giver's Steel Spear
Sword	3	Giver's Iron Sword	38323	Giver's Iron Sword	Giver's Steel Sword
Greatsword	4	Giver's Darksteel Greatsword	38347	Bringer's Darksteel Greatsword	Giver's Ogre Longsword
Hammer	4	Giver's Darksteel Hammer	38342	Bringer's Darksteel Hammer	Giver's Ogre Breaker
Mace	4	Giver's Darksteel Mace	38337	Bringer's Darksteel Mace	Giver's Ogre Bludgeoner
Greatsword	5	Giver's Mithril Greatsword	38346	Bringer's Krait Slayer	Giver's Krait Slayer
Hammer	5	Giver's Mithril Hammer	38341	Bringer's Krait Warhammer	Giver's Krait Warhammer
Mace	5	Giver's Mithril Mace	38336	Bringer's Krait Morning Star	Giver's Krait Morning Star

Jesself (talk) 12:07, 7 April 2017 (UTC) , updated Jesself (talk) 06:16, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Not my domain of expertise; but you can request "batch edits" over on GW2W:BOTS — one of our bot operators will probably take care of the matter. Concerning wiki-related queries targeted at ArenaNet, you may see Guild Wars 2 Wiki:Projects/ArenaNet Q and A. Hope this helps! talk 13:36, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Helpful info for me! Thanks, Incarnazeus! Jesself (talk) 17:32, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

If you don't mind, i'd rather we add a {{bug}} note to the bottom of the page instead of a sic note. Otherwise the "sic" template's contents (which includes the category "Category:Text errors") will show up whenever that item is queried for a name.

For example, using {{cname|Steel Sword#itemct8}} would produce [[Steel Sword#itemct8|Giver's Iron[sic] Sword]] and would place this page into Category:Text errors.

-Chieftain Alex 19:12, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

or maybe it should be the {{anomaly}} template? -Chieftain Alex 19:17, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Until Anet confirms or denies oopsness, I like the notion of using the anomaly template. Jesself (talk) 19:25, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Dunno if ANet is going to confirm an oopsness or not, but this isn't the only Givers weapon with a problem. I can't think of any where the name and skin mismatch, but there are plenty that use the wrong skin for their level and rarity. SarielV 19:48, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

I just reviewed all of the tier 3 Giver's weapon skins to the respective tier 2 and tier 3 Honed weapon skins; they all match - no anomalies with the skins. Jesself (talk) 21:37, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

All right, I know what happened. Steel/Seasoned Wood skins were a late addition. Before that, all Steel tier skins were Iron and Soft Wood. Givers recipes predate the change, so they never got updated. As for what I was talking about:

ID	Name	Level	Rarity	Skin	Should Be
38337	Giver's Darksteel Mace	65	Rare	Darksteel Mace	Ogre Bludgeoner
38339	Giver's Bandit Mallet	35	Masterwork	Bandit Mallet	Iron Mace
38342	Giver's Darksteel Hammer	65	Rare	Darksteel Hammer	Ogre Breaker
38347	Giver's Darksteel Greatsword	65	Rare	Darksteel Greatsword	Ogre Longsword

SarielV 22:41, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm ignorant of the history of the Giver's and when tiers and skins were added, but all the Giver's skins match the Anet name, which makes sense to me. If the names were updated to match the expected conventional naming scheme, I would expect the skins to be updated to match the name changes. I completed my review of the discoverable weapons through tier 5 and confirmed SarielV's tier 4 darksteel observations and found that the same anomaly exists in tier 5 as well, again with only the greatsword, hammer, and mace. Unlike tier 3, at least the darksteel and mithril names are consistent with the weapon tiers' metal. I have updated my initial table to include the tier 4 and tier 5 anomalies, added a tier level column, an Anet name column, refined the wiki names into the canonical names, added the expected names, and added sortability. Jesself (talk) 06:16, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Gad, updates to Giver's -> Bringer's, but beyond the prefix, the naming anomalies mostly remain the same (some get worse). Weak sauce. From this worsening of consistency I'm assuming they don't care at about the irregularities and will continue down the path of disorder. Jesself (talk) 05:45, 4 January 2018 (UTC)