Talk:Sohothin

can swords have brothers??? ^Teo^ 22:37, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Can sites have sisters? GWW is a sister site to GW2W. It just means they were made at the same time and are identical. And you screwed up your sig. Calor (t) 22:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

i know what they mean.. i was just beeing sarcastic.. and what do you mean, i screwed up my sig?? ^Teo^ 22:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

no w8.. wasn't beeing sarcastic.. i was ironic.. :) i think ^Teo^ 22:51, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

It says on Magdaer that this sword is its sister though. :S — Galil 14:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Leeeeeeeeeeeeeegacy weeeeeeeeapon -- Armond Warblade 08:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

o.O RoF? He died on Shiverpeaks ... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheKall92 (talk • contribs).

Yeah, but he still had his sword in Hell's Precipice. Calor 00:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

gotta love that fiery dragon sword, oh and if two or more identicle objects are mede by the same person at similar (close) times that they are known as sister or brother objects....i think

i think his sword is gone out to sea now, because of the tital wave from the return of Orr...

copying?

It seems like the Lord of the Rings sword "anduril" and the dead city (path of the dead)... i hope LOTRO doesn't get mad at this? or interpret like i did... (77.100.32.86 16:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC))

Hahaha totaly same lol,I was thinking about it first time i read this.79.101.64.16 18:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, JRR's going to sue us? Every MMO copies LOTR. It's a causualty of the fantasy genre.--70.71.240.170 23:34, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

This doesnt remind me of LotR at all, stupid supposed reference --Justice 09:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Uh, how does this seem familiar with Anduril? In LotR the ghosts were put to rest because their curse was lifted because they helped the king of Gondor (The sword is only proof of being the king). In GW, the ghosts may be put to rest because of the sword returning to them. I see no similiarity. Silly IP's don't know what they are talking about. -- Konig Des Todes 09:41, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

That's the stupidest trivia section I've seen in ages. I've blocked out the lame movies, but in the book there's no mention of the sword being drawn when he gets to the Stone of Erech. Just because it reminds you of it, doesn't mean that it's a reference. I'm removing it. 216.118.130.93 23:25, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

The place of Sohothin

Rurik came back as an undead by Abbadon to in The Real Of Torment. Isn't his sword there then ? just wondering

Most likely, yes.-- Shew 22:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Uhh.... Rurik was animated by Khilbron. And he was killed in the Ring of Fire, he never went to the Realm of Torment (don't think his spirit even went there since we never see it there). His sword should be near the volcano called Abaddon's Mouth on the Ring of Fire Island Chain. -- Konig/talk 23:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I swear I thought he was talking about the Ring of Fire Islands. Honestly.-- Shew 00:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

It's true. Somewhere in my mind I thought that Rurik and Shiro where the new agents of Abbadon, but it where Shiro and Vizier Khilbron. My apologies.

Image

I don't suppose there's any concept art or renders we can use rather than a screenshot? I'd like to avoid OGW images where possible. Actually, maybe a shot of it in Rurik's hands will do... --Santax (talk · contribs) 21:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

But during GW2 Rurik is dead :/. --BloodStain 21:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

so he was in GW 1 ;)77.251.243.52 06:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

srry i was logged out for some weird reason :/ The Holy Dragons 06:23, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

It's magical...

I always wondered why my FDS didn't give me invincibility like it gave Rurik. -~=Sparky (talk) 19:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

You can get rurik killed in the ascalon academy mission. Thats like lvl 4 grawl and we all know how stupid they are... Justice 23:48, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Heres The Sword on its own

^^^--Neil2250 , The Zoologist 18:58, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Removal of image

I don't see how it's misleading :/ they're not going to change the appearance of it between OGW and GW2. --Santax (talk · contribs) 13:38, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

"they're not going to change the appearance of it between OGW and GW2": nice to know we have a GW2 designer contributing to the wiki, we common players so far have no hint of how things will look other than expecting a rather obvious upgrade to the game's engine improving, if not outright changing, the look of everything in the game. Erasculio 14:28, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, well in that case we better stop describing the Dredge as "mole-like" in case the designers decide to make them dinosaurs in GW2. I seriously can't tell whether you honestly believe this or whether you're being deliberately obstructive anymore. --Santax (talk · contribs) 14:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I doubt the difference in the look will be that different between the games. There will be changes, but chances are, it will still be a FDS of some degree. -- Konig/talk 15:05, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

As a compromise, the caption could read "Sohothin, as it appears in Guild Wars". (In the trailer and concept art, we've already seen an "FDS" in the hands of Rytlock, and it looks very similar to GW's. I think it's safe to assume (or at least there's no reason to assume otherwise) that Sohothin is still an FDS; thus GW's and GW2's Sohothins should look the same/similar.) -- pling 15:33, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

The moment we show an item and say "Here it is" showing a screenshot, people will believe that's how it looks in GW2. That could lead to all sorts of trouble, such as people assuming that the screenshot actually comes from GW2 and thus that the newer game's engine will be a bad one, etc.

And of course, even ignoring the more pragmatic point of view, it has been 250 years. We don't know if a sword, regardless of it being a Fire Dragon Sword or not, is going to remain unchanged for such a long time; we don't know if being close to the Bloodstone has not changed anything about the sword. And in GW1 Rurik's sword was just a common weapon, but now that is has been retconned into being a magical artifact, it is extremely unlikely that it will have the skin of a common Fire Dragon Sword, without anything to show how it's special.

Between all those arguments, there is no point in keeping an image here and showing it as "the" Sohothin. Showing it as it looked like in GW1 wouldn't have those problems, but then again it's pointless; it would be better to wait until we actually have a screenshot of the real GW2 item, and then have a screenshot showing it, instead of showing a random FDS from a different game. Erasculio 18:12, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

You know Erasculio, even after 10 years of video games, I still don't consider a flaming sword with a dragon head guard to be "normal" or "common." I think it's more likely that they'll keep the appearance because it's rather iconic of Guild Wars and Ascalon. I mean, who doesn't remember Rurik's flaming sword? But even disregarding that, Pling's suggestion is a good one. 15:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

And i go to all that trouble...--Neil2250 , The Zoologist 16:05, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I have an idea

How about we add the fiery dragon sword back into the picture, but insted saying 'Sohothin on its own' we say, 'What we Guese Sohothin look like' ? , i think it sounds good.what about everyone else?(People like lore+pictures :P)--Neil2250 , The Zoologist 14:33, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

It's not a guess. We know that's what it looks like. We just don't know if it will continue to look like that in 250 years. Although we're pretty sure it will. 16:12, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Then lets add it back in...?--Neil2250 , The Zoologist 09:24, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

The argument, is that nonliving objects may randomly change over time. Doesn't make much sense, but who know? Maybe this sword can shapeshift? Personally I agree that the picture should stay on there with the text it has now. It's not conflicting anything or guessing, so I don't see a problem. Eive 08:53, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the idea is that due to inhancements in graphics and Anet's ability to add things into the game, that the sword - and other things from GW1 - will receive "improvements." In fact, people can see such improvements in the Scepter of Orr in GW1. The Scepter that is in Prophecies is different in multiple ways from the Scepter that Livia finds - both are the Scepter or Orr. The cause of the difference is having a new kind of object - in Prophecies, the Scepter was a bundle and when dropped didn't float like in the cinematic, so they had to create a new object and redid the skin for that, but the changes were not retroactive. The idea that Sohothin may not be a "fiery dragon sword" is of the same idea - a new model, thus some changes. It may still have a dragon's head for the hilt, and it may still be a orange fire and a sword. But there may be an actual blade, or the head be of a different designed (perhaps to look like Primordus), or the like. Even if the model was made to look exactly the same, the graphics will cause it to look differently, thus the GW1 image would be "out of date" so to speak.

That said, until we see it in GW2, the GW1 image should stay. -- Konig/talk 17:34, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

^ --Kyoshi (Talk) 19:51, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I saw Rytlock holding a fiery dragon sword in a video. It looks almost exactly like the GW1 sword, but with a more realistic fire effect. I think it's safe to say it won't change much. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 21:04, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm curious to see a capture of this video, Sparky. The only FDS that I saw for now in GW2 is the one from this concept art (and it was indeed animated in the race video) but it can't possibly be called "almost exactly like" [[:File:SohothinSword.jpg|that]]. So please, give me a link to what you're talking about. Chriskang 22:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Fiery sword, check. Sword on fire, check. Fiery Dragon Sword... not check. The handle, from what I've seen, is not the same. So until we see an in-game version which confirmation of that's the name (which, if I'm correct, elementalists can summon fiery dragon swords), it's just a fiery sword on fire. -- Konig/talk 23:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Rytlock was holding it in the video linked on, iirc, Talk:Necromancer. I tried to capture a picture, but I fail at that. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 03:30, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit: sorry, it was Talk:Mesmer for some reason. link-jacked. If creepy music freaks you out, mute the video. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 03:34, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

TYVM for the link, Sparky. I was able to find the sequence in the race of Tyria trailer and extract a screenshot. Sadly, the quality is quite bad even though the video is 1080p. Do you find it good enough to upload it to the main namespace? Chriskang 13:07, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Nice! The low quality is unfortunate, but it's probably still more accurate than a GW FDS. Despite being a GW2 FDS, we still can't say that it is definitely what Sohothin & Magdaer will look like. Also, I'm not a good source for knowing what acceptable quality is. :P -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 19:22, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Sohothin and Magdaer may not be "FDS" anymore. Also, with Caithe dual wielding daggers, she may be an elementalist and it was said, I believe, that elementalists can summon FDS's. So that may be how Rytlock got that weapon in that video. But that definably looks like an FDS minisculy modified. Sohothin/Magdaer will probably definably be made differently than normal swords since in Prophecies they were not meant to be so unique than they are now. -- Konig/talk 23:16, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) So, since we now know that Rytlock does wield Sohothin, should the image be on the page? The FDS reward art could also work - it's the same, but a higher quality and isn't a screenshot. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 06:55, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Rytlock wields Sohothin in Edge of Destiny, but we actually don't know that the FDS he wields is still Sohothin by the time GW2 starts. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 06:59, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Is that an FDS he has in GW2? I'm just wondering because the concept art of him has him with a sword of a different designed handle. -- Konig/talk 07:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

However, it is concept art. The concept art shows dragonhead handles and the traditional swirled blade and fire, anyway. That, and Chriskang's screenshot above shows Rytlock holding an FDS (in pretty much the exact position of the FDS reward art). –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 08:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Fiery Dragon Sword

Now that we know what the FDS will look like i think we should update this and magdaer with the new FDS picture captioned with "What Sohothin/Magdaer will probably look like in GW2" i know its speculation but its pretty safe to assume that they wont change the skin of these swords. Victor6267 04:27, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

That was already attempted on the page and removed. Speculation should stay on talk pages. :\ –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 04:30, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

"its pretty safe to assume that they wont change the skin of these swords" Yet the FDS skin was changed, so if they are like the FDS then their skin changed from GW1. So if it is safe to assume that they won't change the skin of the swords then they'll look like they do in GW1. :P -- Konig/talk 06:06, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

http://www.arena.net/blog/dungeon-cinematics Shows a cinematic version of both Sohothin and Magdaer. Same skin, new engine. I say we use that to update both sword's pictures, unless a better shot comes up down the road. 69.247.201.131 08:06, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmm

How do you guys think Rytlock got the sword?--Icyyy Blue 09:10, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

This is, like, the definition of a forum post. Anyways, magic. Eive 09:16, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

i just think he picked it up in a battle cuz he lost his--Icyyy Blue 09:16, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Pulled it out of a stone? ShadowRunner 10:55, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Clearly, Rytlock bought Sohothin on eBay. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 00:40, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Sohothin In-Game

Here's how the sword looks like: http://i.imgur.com/b2A9l.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/L3Xoj.png . KQ 08:53, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Those pics must be either spoilers or dev hax'd. :p Mediggo 10:46, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Nope. I got it as a reward from the PvP chests. KQ 11:48, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Living Story 2: July 29th release video

So, based on the video released by ArenaNet, Rytlock Brimstone appears to be one the attempting to free the Ascalonians from the curse of the Foefire. For all we know, Rytlock may have simply read about the ancient ritual and attempted to fulfill it on his own OR ArenaNet might be changing a long-established piece of lore. How do we all feel about this? DonutxDude (talk) 16:31, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

How do we feel ?? Terrible. And confused. Mostly confused. But I think that's a discussion that might belong to the forum more than the wiki... 195.132.170.205 08:43, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you're right, however I find it beneficial to get some feedback from a community outside the forums, as I'm sure there are some players that avoid the forums. I'll create a topic on forums for it. DonutxDude (talk) 17:23, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

"get some feedback from a community outside the forums" The problem there is that the wiki community is nothing like a forum community. Most of us are just here to edit, not to have lore discussions. Have you tried reddit? —Dr Ishmael 17:29, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I like this lore discussions in wiki. It's more specific. When it is about lore, the first choice of players is wiki. Anyway as pointed from Dr Ishmael, there is nice lore thread about the July 29th release here--W.Wolf (talk) 19:25, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Rightio, thanks lads. Appreciate the alternative links! DonutxDude (talk) 17:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Source of the alleged "legend"?

The article currently says:

According to legend, if either this sword or its sister returns to the haunted remains of Ascalon City in the hands of the rightful king of Ascalon, the ghosts there will finally be laid to rest.

Where did this piece of lore come from exactly? --1.9.154.198 05:24, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Source of "Balthazar's Own Sword"

Given the removal of the entire post of Connie's claim that Sohothin Was Balthazar's own personal Sword, and everything else from that post as far as lore is concerned, should it be considered credible given it does not exist as a reference at this point and for quite some time? Or a fairly considerable change of heart (given Connie's Reddit is still around and kicking, and it is only the source that was removed)?