Talk:List of vistas in the Shiverpeak Mountains

maps

Ive noticed that its showing maps as well. But also in navigation. Change header from 2x = to 3x= or change template ?

Well the 2x= header size is appropriate for the individual pages; changing that to 3x= would make it fine here but weird looking (at least to me) on the individual pages. Maybe the images should get an optional column in the tables? Nightsky (talk) 03:57, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

If it's a transclusion problem, one can almost always play around with noinclude, includeonly and probably onlyinclude to obtain the wanted result.

Here <noinclude>== Maps ==</noinclude><includeonly>=== Maps ===</includeonly><!-- h2 for current page, h3 for transclusion --> works. --Tolkyria (talk) 08:28, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

So you do or don't want it in the "List of vistas in the Shiverpeak Mountains" etc pages? Like have the maps show up in the individual zone page, but not in the whole range of zone list? I think if you just properly put it in the noinclude tag at the end with the nav, it will only show it when you click into a specific page, and not on the big list of lists. Ive been doing waypoint linking and noticed some have the maps on a full include, but not sure if it's supposed to be like that, so left it. My personal preference would be to have the maps only on the individual zone page and leave the list to be a list, or have it be expandable from the large list, instead of default included display. If every zone had its own maps then I'd put it on the big list, but one or two looks weird atm. thanks Zillions (talk) 10:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, everything in noinclude tags doesn't show up when transcluded. I think the problem with showing the maps only on the individual zone vista subpages is that there is no quick way to reach these pages from the overview page. The heading links to the zone and not to the List of vistas in <zone> page.

Regarding consistency, could we also address the following points.

• The youtube search is inconsistently added, furthermore, sometimes it's included and sometimes it's suppressed with noinclude tags.
• The intro text: There are X vistas in <zone>. is inconsistenly used.

So may I suggest the following consistent format:

• For the overview page:

== [[List of vistas in <zone>|<zone>]] ==
{{:List of vistas in <zone>}}
...
<noinclude>
{{vistas nav}}

[[Category:Vistas|*]]
</noinclude>

• For the individual page either with included youtube link and included maps section...

There are X [[vista]]s in the [[<zone>]].
{|
TABLE
|}
{{YouTube search|<zone> X vista}}
<noinclude>== Maps ==</noinclude><includeonly>=== Maps ===</includeonly><!-- h2 for current page, h3 for transclusion -->
<gallery>
GALLERY
</gallery>
<noinclude>
{{Vistas nav}}

[[Category:Vistas]]
</noinclude>

• ...or with excluded youtube link and excluded maps section

There are X [[vista]]s in the [[<zone>]].
{|
TABLE
|}
<noinclude>{{YouTube search|<zone> X vista}}

== Maps ==
<gallery>
GALLERY
</gallery>

{{Vistas nav}}

[[Category:Vistas]]
</noinclude>

The question is where to put the youtube link and maps section in the individual page? Included or not, I have no idea, but it should be consistent. --Tolkyria (talk) 11:28, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

My thoughts:

• I quite like the intro text, it gives the page previews something to look at. I would suggest making the H2 headers point at the zone vista pages, and use the intro text to link the zone. If we have a youtube link and put it in the top-right of each zone vista page, it'd fit nicely beside the intro text above each table.
• I don't think there's any problem showing the maps on the region overview page. I would however possibly suggest revising the table of contents to only show the top level in the TOC, e.g. by using {{TOC|class=toc1}}.

-Chieftain Alex 12:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Agreed, I'm thinking just put the gallery included in the list page, and the youtube link on the side above the gallery, the region list with individual zones already has all relevant information, it would save clicks and page loads to have it a one stop shop, rather than clicking through to see a small gallery, which most do not have yet, and a youtube link as the only difference. The only thing I really wish for was a function like {{waypoint|name}} that gives the gamecode for the waypoint and a link to it's parent page/map. Would be cool to have {{vista|namehere}} for these so they would show up as {{vista|namehere}} = Name Here Vista [&BM0FFFF=] --Zillions (talk) 14:15, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Copy-paste template: {{vista|Ossan Quarter Vista}} →  Ossan Quarter Vista — . --Tolkyria (talk) 14:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better to put this stuff into template table rows, e.g. {{vista table header}} and {{vista table row|<vista>|<area>|<waypoint>|<description>}}? Then we won't have to run over and over again for every minor style change. --Tolkyria (talk) 09:05, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Putting such a simple table into a template obscures the wikicode a bit, probably easier to edit as it is. If you let me know what format you decide on I can bot edit the pages. -Chieftain Alex 19:18, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

The edits I would perform when putting it into a template:

1. Rename the column headers into Vista/Area/Nearest waypoint/Description from Name of Vista/Area/Nearest Waypoint/Description.
2. Remove the vista and waypoint icon from the table header.
3. Get rid of the % table width, replace with fixed em width to avoid table width jumping on overview pages, e.g. 25em/15em/25em/50em for the columns Vista/Area/Nearest waypoint/Description respectively.
4. Add intro text There are X vistas in <zone>. if missing.
5. Add template {{vista}} and {{waypoint}} to the columns Vista and Nearest waypoint in order to provide an in-game chat link.
6. Add wiki links to the area column entries.
7. Consistently add youtube search.
8. Plus those I edits that come into my mind later while editing.

If the others like my ideas and you want to bot it, yes please, go for it. --Tolkyria (talk) 12:36, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

The only thing i'd do different is remove the link from these pages entirely (so the inverse of point #7) but other than that i'm all (though i'm not quite sure what point #8 is about; so maybe not that depending on what it is) for the maps section excluded version (as otherwise there'd be not much point to having separate pages when they'd have exactly what the region list has and as such could also be replaced with links/redirects to the sections on the region page directly instead as well). Nightsky (talk) 16:29, 14 June 2021 (UTC)