Talk:Dredge

Sigh...Copied from GuildWiki. Calor (t) 02:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Playable?

Do ya Think that dredge will be playable?(Arthurperson 20:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC))

Anet has said there are five playable races. So, no. Lord Belar 21:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

They've also said that they have yet to announce all of the races. --77.98.23.140 22:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

IP's correct, Belar. But I have a feeling no more new ones will be introduced, unless after the release of the original GW2. Calor (t) 00:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it's probably easier to balance a new set or two of racial benefits than it is to balance a new profession. Lord Belar 01:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

There may be a chance of Dredge (mainly), the Mursaat, and Centaurs in Tyria, I Doubt you'll end up with the Tyrian Tengu. There may be a small chance of the dredge from cantha showing up with the wardens or something if they don't appear there. Farwind 00:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

mursaat is getting extinct and there wont be any other races than human in cantha... - Wuhy 12:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Linsey Murdock has confirmed "plans" for the Mursaat, which implies that they survive. Though their race is probably highly diminished. I personally think only the military of the race was eliminated (excluding Lazarus) and that the non-military survived. That, or the whole race was a military-based race. -- Konig Des Todes 17:42, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Didn't Lazarus hint at other surviving Mursaat in EotN? I mean, the time period between the two games is enough that the Sylvari (population:0 in GW) are a dominate race in GW2. 64.111.136.48 21:25, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Keep?

Never found these guys super important in GW1... What makes us think they'd be important in GW2? -- Armond Warblade 07:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

They're very important for one main reason: almost all of the dwarves are either dead or turned to stone and not interested in society. When the dwarves went absent to fight the Great Destroyer the dredge founded their own free civilization in the dwarves' wake. Mainly populating the southern shiverpeaks which was once the home of the dwarves. --Cynn 02:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Concept Art

I'm thinking this is concept art of the Dredge (http://www.intothepixel.com/artwork/2009_contest_winners.asp) --the one that's snowy, though it is only referred to as "Snow Battle" (my opinion)-- BVt 23:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Definably not. One creature has horns and looks more Greco Minotaur-like. I figured it was Norn in Ox-form, but it's definably not a Dredge, as Dredge are mole-like people. The other looks like a human-like figure. It is on GWW as a "GW2 Concept Art" though. -- Konig Des Todes 04:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

You're forgetting that the Dredge are almost completely unrecognizable from their past forms, as mentioned in "The Movement of the World." Here, I'll quote it: "There they found abandoned Dwarven forts and a new challenge in the form of the Dredge, the old nemeses of the Dwarves, now almost unrecognizable from the primitive, frightened creatures of the past. The Dredge, reveling in their new-found freedom after the Dwarves fell to the Destroyers, seized that opportunity to become a real threat in the Shiverpeaks, while the Norn revel in the hunt of new enemies. The Norn and the Dredge fight over control of these lands in a continual war that rages along the highest mountains." "Snow Battle," the name of the art, fits the description as well.-- BVt 12:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I think what was meant in the Movement of the World is not that they physically changed, but that their society, culture, and personalities have changed due to being enslaved. If you think about it, 250 years is not enough time for evolution to change something so drastic as giving them two horns on every Dredge. It's logic combined with basic knowledge of evolution. It doesn't appear they are wearing armor as well, which is more Norn-like than Dredge-like. Though that part may easily change. Again, I state that the Movement sounds like it's talking about being unrecognized from the time before being slaves, mentally, and not physically. Because during GW1, the Dredge seemed to be in two different "groups" - those that were kind and asked for help from others to help free the slaves, and those who would fight to prevent being enslaved again (or fight for their freedom). Some of them were both (fight for freedom and ask help from other races), and it seems to me that, in GW2, most are the later (fight to prevent being enslaved again). Also note: "frightened creatures of the past" this would support what I said, they are frightened to being enslaved again. And also: "The Dredge, reveling in their new-found freedom after the Dwarves fell to the Destroyers, seized that opportunity to become a real threat in the Shiverpeaks" they like their freedom and don't want it taken away, therefore they became hostile to others that could enslave them. -- Konig Des Todes 21:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

You've taken "frightened creatures of the past" out of context. The context is that they are not the frightened creatures they once were. Though 250 years seems illogical, it's a video game, and plus "Drakkar" corrupts the creatures he meets. Since Drakkar is from the north, perhaps he corrupted them. I'm standing firm with the idea that they have physically changed. This seems more contextual.-- BVt 22:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I do see where they could be Norn in Ox-form, but, to me, a battle between a Norn (w/o a form) and a few dredge seems more like what the picture is portraying.-- BVt 22:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Whatever they are (in the upper left area), I think "Drakkar" has had influence.-- BVt 01:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

To your first, I did not take "frightened creatures of the past" seeing how what you said is rephrasing what I said of that. Also, Dredge=Southern Shiverpeaks (with the miniscule exceptions that we see in Raven's Point and Vlox's Excavations), Drakkar=Far Shiverpeaks. It is possible some are physically changed by Drakkar, but those would look like mole versions of the gw1:Nornbear, which was a Norn in Bear Form with ice covering it. All the Dredge would not be changed. To your second point, your opinions are yours, mine are mine, I just find how you think those are Dredge because of that phrase which, to me, is pointing towards mental changes, they might have changed, but I don't think they'd both gain fur and and horns, and seemingly lose their dominant teeth. To your third point, as there is no "ice" covering them (it is fur, instead), I would have to disagree. -- Konig Des Todes 02:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Good point about Drakkar, but do calm down; no need to make this a personal thing. ^^ BVt 20:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

And you're right...I think...now I'm starting to think the drastic physical change is unreasonable. I still think "unrecognizable" refers to a new physical (and mental) identity, but you've convinced me that the Dredge aren't in that concept art.-- BVt 21:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I am calm. o_O Was calm too. And I still don't think that the Dredge changed to the point they are "unrecognizable" physically. Except maybe they'd be able to see better in brighter surroundings. -- Konig Des Todes 00:17, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...maybe it was my own tenseness that made me take it as that way. :P I think the Dredge's physical change would be a result of them adapting to their new surroundings.-- BVt 01:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I know this conversation is looong over, but how did I even consider that the concept art featured Dredge?-- Shew 02:27, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I know it's now loong over, but I have no clue. I'm thinking you had sunglasses on. Indoors. In the dark. With the monitor turned off. --76.166.187.131 10:54, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll one-up your dead-conversation-revival by an entire year! Did nobody think that they were Charr? Large, horns, and the one in front has knees that are bent in a way that implies that he has digit-grade (or hooved) feet. Normally Charr shouldn't be in any snowy area, but if they're playable you could see them anywhere. --Thunderduck 3:07 6 June (UTC)

I'll one-up your dead-conversation-revival-one-up by 7 years just to say I still have no idea what they are ~~Trevor95251 22:59, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Evolution

Now I'm not saying the Dredge have changed completely. How ever, When animals or even humans are in New environments for long enough they do tent to change Physically, especially after 250 years. The Asura Have changed since they first Set foot on the surface of Tyria(there Eyes have a wider ranger of colors and their hair does as well. Their skin is also smother.) Looking at this fact the Dredge may very well have Changed to their Environment as well. Their Eyes may have grown larger to adapt to the sun they weren't used to, more hair may have shown up on their bodies, and they may even have changed to stand a little different as well. All I'm saying is there are Physical changes that happen to Creatures in Real life that are noticeable over a short Period of time(shot being a few hundred years comared to a billion years.). Maybe they now look more like a humanoid version of this this[1] rather then this [2].--Yozuk 07:01, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Look

if you want to you can see a dredge in this video here --RhoninSoren 16:05, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Hidden References

Is it just me or does the references fail to be displayed? Chad 10:46, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

It's because someone went and replaced the list of NPCs with a dpl listing - dpl for some reason resets the reference tag. This is probably happening in all race articles which list NPCs. Over on GWW, we managed to work around it with an actual template (two actually) rather than the easier <ref> and <reference> tags. I don't think such templates exist over here though. Konig/talk 17:04, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Missing Models

So what I found out there are some missing models.

• Bombers and Foreman Zeleoniy , normal model of a dredge without any weapons ! They are throwing bombs insted.
• Elite Sentry, there are multiple models probably but I have seen one with a scroll in right hand ?
• Foreman Korov, dredge with a shotgun.
• Foreman Tomak , dregde with a staff (maybe spear) but without cape.
• Foreman Webarov , dredge with Mystic Barricade as a shield.
• General Molradovich, dredge with unique staff skin. Fire staff yet not molten skin
• General Zadorojny, dredge with a torch and shield.

--DiegoDeLaHouska (talk) 06:54, 2 November 2020 (UTC)