Talk:Charr/Archive 1

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The picture makes them look AWESOME. I am so gonna make a Charr warrior like the white one in the picture. L33T! Panda Man 04:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Those do look neat, but it's only concept art. I wouldn't be surprised if ANet uses the existing Charr models for the Charr in GW2. Calor (t) 19:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Nah, they don't have any existing female charr models, and they'll probably want to improve the graphics. Lord Belar 19:36, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Under the picture it says "Charr do not care for honor, just pride and Glory." That is complete bs. They have their own system of honor and glory, and they live for it. Farwind 01:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Got a better idea for a caption? -- Armond Warblade 07:52, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure; The charr are a race driven by their code of honor, pride, and glory Farwind 02:32, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

well, you should be bold and edit it! Cress Arvein 00:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Lol, Anet sure has hidden humor, they even created Albino Charrs xD 78.21.7.221 19:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Look at this charr lol,it looks awesome :D

ok i have one question, how did u get that picture of the charr it would be impossible, unless it was pyre's warband, u couldn't get that close to a charr unless it attacked u =P --Aquatis Magicion 22:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

You could get that close during Gwen's mission in the Mission Bonus pack, by either hiding or playing dead. -- Luigi (T/C) 19:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

You can also take a close up image of any enemy by disconnecting before the shot. That way, they'll be just standing there when you snap the shot. Thrain | talk 22:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Furry Fandom

I'll bet the furries will really enjoy the Charr. I'm serious. oo; Vael Victus 15:35, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello, everyone. -- Kroff 21:47, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Charr are AWESOME. You do NOT have the right to call them furries. Lol, jk. But seriously, Charr aren't only liked by people with a strange attraction to all things furred. You can bet I'll play as one, and I really hate cartoon animals and stuff. XD

Yeah, The Charr are pretty awesome in their own rights for a non-furry to want to play as them. Since they are not stupid half-animal/half-human animal-people or whatever. They're quite imaginative(I'm just hoping they don't screw up the female Charr by making them catgirls).(marsc 21:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC))

The only reason gw1 doesn't have any appreciable furry infestation is because it only has the human race playable. GW2 may have a player base from hell with the addition of the charr :/ 76.212.214.23 00:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

You have no right to call Charr mindless beasts! ;) I'm sooooooo going to play one.Eryops3 04:09, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Magic?

Has any one ells noticed that The 5 races are some what like the 5 colors of Magic the gathering[1]? Humans are white, Charr are black, Norn are red, Asura are blue, and the Sylvari are green. And I'm not just saying this because there are 5 races and 5 colors of magic. I'm saying this because the 5 races act like the 5 colors of magic.

White is the color of order, equality, righteousness, healing, law, community, absolutism/totalitarianism, and light, although not necessarily "good".

Blue is the color of intellect, reason, illusion, logic, knowledge, manipulation, and trickery.

Black is the color of power, ambition, greed, death, corruption, and amorality, although not necessarily "evil".

Red is the color of freedom, chaos, passion, creativity, impulse, and fury.

Green is the color of life, instinct, nature, evolution, ecology and interdependence.

Do you see what I mean?--Yozuk 04:54, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Interesting, but the origin of colors and their association to the world and behaviors go farther back than MTG. And there are inconsistencies in that, like human necromancers and norn healers. I suppose it's only natural for humans to try to associate things in an attempt to make sense of it (consciously or subconsciously). --Lou-Saydus 19:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

"I suppose it's only natural for humans to try to associate things in an attempt to make sense of it" .....And what are you? thinking youre a charr or something?? And about your human necro etc thought, there are crossovers, multi-colors that are both.--G3N3T1C 12:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

You misunderstand him, he means associating Magic:The Gathering to GW to make sense of the choice in professions/races. -- Konig/talk 15:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

/hangs head in shame/ Why would you even have to associate it to GW? I doubt the people at ANET looked at MTG for ideas about the game.--G3N3T1C 11:14, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

"As for whether it's the game that Guild Wars players will want it to be, O'Brien is confident. 'Guild Wars was a very unique game. It takes a different approach to role-playing. Looking at our competitors, it has its genesis in the Magic the Gathering tradition rather than a straight Dungeons and Dragons tradition, and I think players really appreciate that breadth.'" Eurogamer interview. Get owned. - TFOG, March 9, 2010.

Article

reads more like fiction and storytelling than documentation. It also has unnecessary information about Guild Wars - this article isn't about the Charr's entire history, but the facts relevant to GW2. -- Pling \ talk 14:58, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

After reading the Mursaat article and looking at various lore, I realized how lacking in lore both the GWW and GW2W are. So I decided I'd add more lore to at least the race articles - of course no speculation lore - and this was the first one I did. I formatted it the same as the Mursaat article because I thought it was a very well written and formatted article. Also, the history of the Charr do have relevance to GW2, especially if the knowledge came after GW1. But feel free to edit out any unneeded bits. I knew someone would find it "irrelevant" and I was more expecting an unnoticed change. -- Konig Des Todes 21:03, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I did some more work, I think this cleans it up. Nice work writing all this stuff. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 18:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Charr with flamethrowers!

There's one in the GW2 trailer, but I don't know how to get it from the video! Also, the picture of the charr city (the one with the moving gears and smoke) would be a good addition to this page. -~=Sparky (talk) 19:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

File:Rytlock 01 concept art.jpg ? I think that's a gun; the IGN interview mentions that the Charr have developed guns, explosives, and war machines. -- Pling \ talk 19:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd say that is actually just a flaming sword. We've seen them before so they wouldn't be anything new. -- Konig/talk 20:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Behind him, there's a charr holding a 'big stick' with two hands; I've heard that's a gun. He also seems to have a chain of bullets over his shoulder. -- Pling \ talk 20:52, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I take it you mean the one to the left? Yeah, that might be a giant rifle or something. I knew it, Charr Snipers! -- Konig/talk 20:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

No, it's one of the pictures near the end where the pictures are rapidly changing. You have to pause until you get to it. He's got a big fire thing on his back and I think a mask with goggles. It's hawt (literally). -~=Sparky (talk) 02:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know what you're talking about; it looks nice! Edit: -- Shew talk 02:28, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I love the industrial turn they're taking. While it's well known the Asuran are the technological pioneers of Tyria... industry just seems very Charr-like to me, for some reason. All the smoke, fire, team, etc, all seems to fit. And I'm not entirely sure why. But it is good.-- anguard 03:30, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the coal-burning, smoke, smelting, etc., and their connatations really fit the charr nicely. I also like how the charr have industrialized on their warfare, I just wonder how they are going to make guns (or war machines) work and still be balanced. -~=Sparky (talk) 02:56, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

High end prestigious weapon/armor prediction for charr: Steam punk.--Łô√ë Çåŕð ├┤ëŕô 04:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Guns confirmed in the faq. they are guns with a twist.Shoyaru 01:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Female Charr?

I was just wondering, is there any word on female charr? There obv has to be some, due to the facts on the Fahrar article. Any ideas how there appereance would differ to the male charr weve seen all the way through GW? --Blood Stain 22:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, plenty. No pictures/concept art yet. Belar 22:11, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

There will be female Charr, it has been confirmed somewhere, don't recall where. Anet didn't reveal any concept art or in game footage of a charr that is easily female. We don't know how they will look in comparison to male charr - if they follow most feline races, there won't be much difference. I'd assume horns would be smaller/bigger, the overall size smaller in comparison, probably more slim, difference in voice, and maybe fur-color. Don't go expecting charr with tits. -- Konig/talk 23:58, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

except if there's some really weird furries woking for A-Net ... XD Sneaker 10:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

There's art now. Their necks/backs aren't as hunched and their faces are... less nasty? (Smaller mouths, their teeth don't stick out as much, and their eyes look comparatively larger.) --70.173.35.28 19:01, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

more direct picture. Their faces are smoother, their horns go backwards instead of the GW2 male charr's forward horns. I'd have to say male and female charr are like comparing Tigers and Lynxes, in a way. I am glad that there are no charr boobs - that wouldn't be biologically correct for cats. -- Konig/talk 19:26, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

are we sure that's a female? it coulf just be a more sleek male. don't get me wrong, it definitely looks more effeminate than most of the ones we've seen so far.Akbaroth 01:44, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, we're absolutely certain. Regina was around the guru forums talking about the appearance of the charr female. In particular, she pointed out how the tail of the female is fluffy from top to bottom, unlike the male. -- Aspectacle  02:23, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

"What's kind of hard to tell from the angle of the picture is that female charr tails have slightly longer fur on them, along the entire length of the tail." I seriously doubt that she'd be pointing out how the females' tails differ in the picture if both of the Charr in the picture were male. --70.173.35.28 01:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

LOLCATS. Sorry, but that was the first thing I thought when I saw the female charrs. Hey, we could even make LOLCHARR. Joking. Really, I was joking. Markus Clouser 20:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Charrzooka

Who wants? ... XD ME! Sneaker 11:30, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks freaking AMAZING >.<. ME WANTS NOW! --BloodStain 11:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Humans

Aren't they supposed to be enemies? i mean, the charr have conquered ascalon and killed the remaining ascalonians i don't think the humans will ever "forgive" the charr, not to mention the charr wars back then. So how will it work in GW2, any ideas? --Majere 14:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

They did say it will be difficult ... think of it as Pyre and Gwen ... for the greater good ... :P Sneaker 14:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think they'd all have the same opinion regarding other races - some Charr might like working with humans, and vice versa. Some Charr might dislike other Charr. They probably won't be generalised in that 'all Charr hate humans'. There are also humans which haven't been affected by Charr in the way those from Ascalon have - Krytans, for instance, have had a generally Charr-less time thanks to the White Mantle. --pling  15:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

True, but that could only apply to some charr not to the majority, after all don't you think ascalonians want ascalon back? --Majere 15:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Ofcourse they want Ascalon back ... they're still battling the Charr for it ... but pretty much all hope is lost since the himans are divided between fighting the charr and the dragons ... plus the charr technology ... whooo that's a lotta firepower to fight ... so basically what i'm thinking it a temporary peace to fight the greater evil and then straight back to the skirmishes for Ascalon, ... but it's pretty much a lost cause to get it back since Ascalon City IS overrun by the ghosts ... so basically ... i don't think Ascalon is an achievable goal for the humans ... ofcourse i could be wrong and this IS just my speculation :p Sneaker 16:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

i was to shoot humans with a charrzooka ;o 86.82.19.96 20:38, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

lol same i wanna take a charrzooka up in a tree and light a sylvari on fire cuz they are trees Shoyaru 01:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

humans have 4 different back stories and GW2 is all about personal storyline so it probably will be different in ascalon for a canthan character than for an ascalonian. Sjacie 06:29, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I think everyone who thinks humans and charr can ever be friends are forgetting that charr look at as humans as "meat". Charr eat humans people! GW2 may force me to work with charr, but it can't make me like them. The only good charr is a dead charr. Ramei Arashi 23:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

You're right, that is their attitude...in GW1, 250 years ago. Societies and attitudes can evolve quite a bit in that time; just look at ours. I'm not saying they're friends or anything close to it, but I doubt they still see humans (and other races) in the same way they did. Arshay Duskbrow 00:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

As it seems to me, all races that are carnivores or omnivores are willing to eat any other race. Centaurs are said to eat humans yet we befriend and aid one who shouts out that he would eat human (Kournan to be precise) flesh. I wouldn't doubt that the charr still call other races "meat" - because, really, to a carnivore every race is meat. The term "mouse"/"mice" however, may change to the more primitive races. Besides, I'm sure there are humans who eat more than pickled vermin tongue, wallow truffles, drake kabob, skale meat, mandragor root, and so forth. I'm sure that somewhere in Cantha there is a fine sushi place which has plenty of fresh sapient naga meat. -- Konig/talk 01:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Gold Legion

Is it worth adding the gold legion to the front page? I added it twice and someone kept removing it. The idea being that they believe you won't be able to play as the gold legion. I don't believe that this is sufficient reason to remove the gold legion after all the purpose of this document, I believe, is to provide information on the organisation of the charr legions, not to provide people with a choice of which legion they want to play in the final game. Whether or not you can actually play as the gold legion should not play a part in whether it is included in the information about the charr.--Stu 21:29, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Due to the gold legion being "outcasts" and supports of the shamans, i doubt you will get the choice to play them. Shamans being one of the main antogonists in GW, it would just be stupid to be able to play as them. --aut (t) 21:37, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the gold legion should be mentioned in the article, since we're documenting the charr as a whole and not just how they can be played. However, if we're sure that the gold legion isn't playable (how do we know that, btw?), it shouldn't be in the "playing as a charr" section - unless it's in the context of something like "another legion is the gold legion, however it isn't available as a playable option". -- pling 23:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

It's mentioned here: "For charr, it primarily means their legion, whether Blood, Ash, or Iron". IMO, the article is fine as it is right now - it does mention the Gold Legion in the History section, explaining what it is, but leaves it out of the "Playing as a charr" section, given how it's not a playable faction anyway. Erasculio 00:13, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Maybe this section should be on just factually documenting the charr, and have a separate section for PLAYING as the different races? After all there is a table at the bottom of the article with playable races and the different ancestry of each race. Having the same information is two different places is repetition and maybe a little unnecessary. --Stu 17:18, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

The different legions you can pick when playing a charr is factually detailing the charr. There will be more attributes than those already known which a player starts a charr character and the best place for them at this time, as they are directly related to charr and only charr characters, is the charr page. The list in the nav box is unnecessary or at least premature and I suspect in future it will not be an effective method to enumerate all possible player choices and attributes for all races. I think we should leave everything much like it is until we know more about the racial choices which will actually be in game and can make a better decision. In the meantime, I suggest naming the legions in the second paragraph where it states there are 4 legions. -- Aspectacle  22:05, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

The Gold/Flame Legion should be listed, but not under the "Playing as a Charr" - instead, under the lore portion, which is at the top, and should already be there. -- Konig/talk 03:13, 23 December 2009 (UTC)